My Saga With The 10R80 (Will Update)

[THPOOKYCAT]

Even though my ranger hasn't had trans problems yet. I'm not giving up my 340,000 mile 02 2500hd 8.1/allison 5spd. It's dead reliable. Just can't skip by a gas station. It will eat you out
Of house and home.

I thought you were gonna end the sentence at "eat you out..."

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[Stevedbvik1]

Oh did I ever. I've read through the TSB more times than I can remember.

I agree. Unfortunately all the service writer had to say was that they weren't feeling the hard shifts/couldn't replicate my symptoms, and "couldn't find any codes".

So have I. I've been looking at late 80's - mid 90's.

You have a flat out rotten dealership issue. Ford is not to blame in this instance. Respectable and rational dealers are dealing with and resolving issues with the TSB. Really sorry for what you’re going through.

 

[Dhouse]

Wow! After reading this, I'm thinking I should consider trading mine in before something happens. I'm not having any issues so far at 42k miles. Does anyone have a 19 to 23 with high mileage and no tranny issues?

 

[ccmano]

I agree. Unfortunately all the service writer had to say was that they weren't feeling the hard shifts/couldn't replicate my symptoms, and "couldn't find any codes".

I spent 40years in the car business, mostly on the mfg side. Unfortunately the warranty and dealer/technician pay systems created by the manufacturers causes all this. Add to this unscrupulous dealers that the mfgs won't correct or blow out and you land here.

If you haven't already, try this. When the truck acts up take it directly to the dealer and insist that the service advisor test drive the truck with you on the spot and have them document it.

Conversely when you pick up the truck, before you sign the paperwork, insist on a test drive with the service advisor. If it acts up have them document it and refuse delivery. This will help build the "file" on the truck.

Finally, again if you haven't already done so, contact a lemon law attorney in your state, educate yourself on your states lemon law and get the ball rolling on a lemon law buyback. (if the truck qualifies)

Wish you the best of luck!
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[ChiefQM]

So this is gonna be a long one. Buckle up.

First off, I've worked for FoMoCo at two different plants in KY for over 13 years.

My 2021 Ranger XLT FX4 started having pretty severe rough shifting issues around 35,000 miles. I took it to the dealership where I purchased it, and they told me that was the nature of the trans, but that there was a strategy update. The update was done and the learning module tables were reset.

Around 45k, the problems were right back, as bad as ever. On top of that, the trans dropped itself into neutral when I was trying to get out of a parking lot fast in heavy traffic. Hit the gas, heard a bang, rolled forward. Stabbed the breaks, and had to put it in park before it would go back into drive. Really lucky I didn't get hit. I I did some research and found one of the TSB's (not the most current). I called the original dealer, and was told that they wouldn't even be able to look at it for 4-6 months. I drive a lot. I knew I couldn't wait that long.

I called another dealership closer to me that came recommended. Took it in with a copy of the TSB, and gave them all the info on what was happening. They had it for a couple of days, and called me saying that they installed a new strategy (again) and reset the tables.

Around 2.5k later, the same problems and then some new ones. The shifts were harder, and the trans was hunting for gears. It didn't want to go into 10th, like it was stuck in 9th on the interstate. It would also stay in 10th and "lug" at low speeds (around 30-35mph). Stop and go rush hour traffic was a nightmare. Sudden stops would cause it to slam into lower gears, and sudden acceleration would do the same.

Took it back to the 2nd dealership, explaining what was going on. They performed the second step of the TSB (replacement/repair of the Valve body assembly). Along with clearing the tables for a relearn.

During all previous relearn periods, the truck shifted reasonably, definitely not smooth, but acceptably. This time was different. After around 500 miles, the trans started slamming into gears worse than before. Not as frequently, but significantly more violent. Also, the truck dropped out of gear into neutral again.

Back to the same (2nd) dealership. Two of the service writers stared at their PC monitor for around 10 minutes while I stood there waiting. Finally, one said "well the truck isn't showing any DTC's and we can't replicate your symptoms, so there's nothing we can do." I had already talked through the most current TSB, to make sure they knew about the next step. The updated CDF drum and bushing.

I asked if the truck had shown any codes before, and they said no. I asked if not, then why had they removed the valve body and reset the tables. They told me because they knew about that issue, and it was a courtesy. They claimed that Ford wouldn't pay for the warranty work without DTC's/replicated symptoms. I left the Ranger there.

I called the Union Dealer Liaison rep at my plant, who told me to call the Detroit Quality Claims Office. After a 45 minute conversation, the only thing they could tell me to do was take it to a different dealership. The whole TSB process would have to be started over.

The very next day, I get a call saying my truck was ready to be picked up. I asked what they had found and done. Their response was that they AGAIN resent the learning tables, the trans tech couldn't replicate my symptoms. I drove to the dealership, a conversation over the phone wouldn't cut it.

They said there was nothing else they could do, there were no DTC's and they couldn't replicate my symptoms. I argued with them for around 40 minutes, got nowhere. I told them to give me the truck, was left standing there, and then told by a different service writer that they were having trouble finding my vehicle. 15 minutes go by. Finally they found it, left with the paperwork and keys in the driver's seat.

The service writer who drove it up could tell that I had completely hit my limit, and told me that he himself felt it shift hard driving it through the lot. He gave me his cell number, and told me to text him through the weekend with updates on how it was driving.

Next day, the wrench/powertrain light pops up on the IP, and the truck won't go over 55mph. It's slamming into gears like someone is hitting it with a sledgehammer. Notifications are popping up on my phone. I text the service writer and he tells me to bring it back in.

I drop it off, get a call two days later, and the wrench/powertrain light is gone. No DTC'S. Symptoms can't be replicated. They resent the tables as a courtesy.

I show up at the dealership demanding to talk to the service manager. He has no answers. Nothing he can do.

A few days later, the wrench/powertrain light AND the check engine light turn on, and it goes into limp mode. AutoZone scanner shows code P0235.

I take it to another dealership (3rd). They won't even look at it because someone else has worked on it.

It's now sitting at the original dealership where I bought it, having to start the whole process over.

I have less than 5,000 miles left on the powertrain warranty.

I'm a 13 year Ford employee, and I can't even get known issues covered under warranty for a known part failure under a TSB. God help a regular customer. This is the last new Ford I'll ever buy.



***UPDATE*** For anyone whose interested.

Spoke with my union dealer liaison rep again. I asked him to look up my VIN# in the Oasis System (apparently they can access it). I had him check for codes/DTC's over the past few months, as the dealership (#2) told me they couldn't see any. It turns out that they were flat out lying to my face. It has been throwing codes multiple times a week, but no warning lights or notifications to my phone through FordPass.

I called the Detroit Quality Claims Office again yesterday, to update them on the continuing situation I'm in.
I wanted to have it on record that dealership #3 refused to touch the truck, and gave them the service managers reason for refusal. The DQCO rep proceeded to talk over me, and accuse me of not letting dealership #2 do their job (as they are qualified mechanics and I am not). The rep didn't say anything about dealership #3 and their refusal, even though I explained that they (DQCO) instructed me to take the truck to a different dealership, because "some dealerships are better than others". I also explained that every time (except for once) the dealership (#2) told me to take the truck home, as there was nothing they could do. The DQCO rep then told me that our conversation was becoming "unproductive", and hung up on me.

I want to state that not once during any of my conversations with DQCO did I raise my voice, curse them out, or become belligerent in any way.

Your experiences with dealers are exactly what I experienced with the Ford dealers in Pinellas County Florida. I purchased my 2019 in June 2020 with 12K miles as a CPO vehicle. It is important to note that I was experiencing the 'bucking/shuddering/lugging issue, not an actual transmission failure, but I was told it was just a "herky jerky 10 speed" by the service writer. I persisted and was given trucks to drive that behaved the same way as mine in an attempt to make me think it was all in my head. I learned that I could make the issue go away either in Sport mode or Tow mode, or if I just drove it like I stole it. In disgust, I gave up. Until I saw the post on this forum about the EGR differential pressure sensor, which cost me $18 at the local Ford dealer in GA. I didn't trust them to put it on. Solved my problem immediately. It has also solved the issue for many other Ranger owners. I have 57K miles on the truck and have changed that sensor twice, as it fills up with water and ruins the pressure diaphram inside. It took me three years before I stumbled over the fix, and I am not buying another Ford.

 

[Dereku]

Wow! After reading this, I'm thinking I should consider trading mine in before something happens. I'm not having any issues so far at 42k miles. Does anyone have a 19 to 23 with high mileage and no tranny issues?

No…. Source I am at 90k. Lol

 

[ctechbob]

Wow! After reading this, I'm thinking I should consider trading mine in before something happens. I'm not having any issues so far at 42k miles. Does anyone have a 19 to 23 with high mileage and no tranny issues?

Headed for 65k.

Mine is over-maintained though.

 

[ctechbob]

Quite the job isn't it?

Single Zone climate, so it was on the pass side. Not quite a huge pain, but a pain getting that greasy little bastard lined up and back in the slot.

 

[Justamessenger]

Headed for 65k.

Mine is over-maintained though.

Perhaps only over-maintained relative to the ridiculous intervals in the owners manual. I’m planning on trans fluid drop and fill (via Fitz stick and PPE pan with drain plug) at 25k and every 25k after on my 2023. I’m also looking in to trans, coolant, and other temperature displays.

 

[ctechbob]

Perhaps only over-maintained relative to the ridiculous intervals in the owners manual. I’m planning on trans fluid drop and fill (via Fitz stick and PPE pan with drain plug) at 25k and every 25k after on my 2023. I’m also looking in to trans, coolant, and other temperature displays.

D&F every other oil change, so every 10K miles.

By my estimation that is just about one complete flush (new fluid) every 30k or thereabouts. I'm ok with that.

 

[TJC]

D&F every other oil change, so every 10K miles.

By my estimation that is just about one complete flush (new fluid) every 30k or thereabouts. I'm ok with that.

Right on the money!... and it is far less expensive than a transmission.

 

[hughesjv]

Wow, and I was wondering why Ford's stock keeps going down... Don't they care it send prospective buyers elsewhere?

 

[greg from rockwall tx]

Greeville TX Ford. Awesome service dept. Young lady took mine in at 59,000 miles for a trans rebuild under the 60,000 mile power train warranty. I have car shield as a back up ext warranty. Some dealers prefer endurance as the ext warranty . Car Shield will negotiate their monthly rates if you have multi calls with them. Hope that helps.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Wow, and I was wondering why Ford's stock keeps going down... Don't they care it send prospective buyers elsewhere?

Like buying the new Taco that’s having transmission issues?

 

[got3fords]

I thought you were gonna end the sentence at "eat you out..."

Yeah, that was an odd place for a line break!

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