Fuel in oil

[P. A. Schilke]

Because that lawsuit is talking about issues with coolant and the cooling system?

What bothers me is the allegation it was discovered during pre production testing. If true it is very disappointing that corporate ethics eroded under Pretty Boy Mark Fields and Hackett...

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

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[Gizmokid2005]

Couldn't it also apply to those who have oil that smells like gasoline??

Not if the scope of the lawsuit is due to cooling issues, coolant leaks, etc. A fuel in oil issue would be separate.

What bothers me is the allegation it was discovered during pre production testing. If true it is very disappointing that corporate ethics eroded under Pretty Boy Mark Fields and Hackett...

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Agreed.

 

[createaneutron]

Not if the scope of the lawsuit is due to cooling issues, coolant leaks, etc. A fuel in oil issue would be separate.

Agreed.

Then maybe we need a separate class action started.

 

[shred5]

What bothers me is the allegation it was discovered during pre production testing. If true it is very disappointing that corporate ethics eroded under Pretty Boy Mark Fields and Hackett...

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Yea this is why I never liked Chevy. They always denied, denied and denied there was a issue.

I am not worried about there being a issue if the company takes care of it. Things happen in something with so many parts. It is how a company handles problems once they arise. But now after being burned on my Focus I was a little hesitant but you know what other than that car Ford always took care of us. All my other truck and escapes yea there was recalls and problems but they took care of them.

When I bought my Colorado I knew I would not keep it past warranty and buy the Ranger when it launched so it was no big deal owning a Chevy. Now I wanted a vehicle to last and keep it longer since I am getting close to Retiring and wanted a truck I could trust and drive for a while. Ford is loosing my trust. I have to agree with the person above, I may not keep this truck now because I am loosing trust in it and in Ford if I do run into a problem.

 

[kal718]

Really wish they would address this issue instead of pretending like it’s some sort of driver error. I had my next vehicle narrowed down to either a Ranger or a Bronco, and they use the same engine. Might have to look elsewhere.

 

[quirkybar8]

What bothers me is the allegation it was discovered during pre production testing. If true it is very disappointing that corporate ethics eroded under Pretty Boy Mark Fields and Hackett...

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

I know I beat on the DPS6 transmission horse hard, but this is the crux of it for me. I knew from reports on the pre-production Fiesta that there were some shudder problems, but gave Ford benefit of the doubt that it would be properly addressed. To learn a couple of years ago that emails were being exchanged about its unfixable nature before production should have been sufficient reason to let another manufacturer have its way with me on this round. Must be a glutton.

I'm getting to the point where I hope the shit storm that will come to be in the Bronco world over this engine problem some years down the road bites them hard. I don't believe that Farley is blissfully unaware of these reports.

Really wish they would address this issue instead of pretending like it’s some sort of driver error.

That's exactly what they did to Focus and Fiesta owners. It's not a new strategy.

 

[N. J. Jim]

Yea this is why I never liked Chevy. They always denied, denied and denied there was a issue.

I am not worried about there being a issue if the company takes care of it. Things happen in something with so many parts. It is how a company handles problems once they arise. But now after being burned on my Focus I was a little hesitant but you know what other than that car Ford always took care of us. All my other truck and escapes yea there was recalls and problems but they took care of them.

When I bought my Colorado I knew I would not keep it past warranty and buy the Ranger when it launched so it was no big deal owning a Chevy. Now I wanted a vehicle to last and keep it longer since I am getting close to Retiring and wanted a truck I could trust and drive for a while. Ford is loosing my trust. I have to agree with the person above, I may not keep this truck now because I am loosing trust in it and in Ford if I do run into a problem.

Ford is getting a real bad reputation not taking care of these problems. This is my first Ford since 93, and if they continue down this road of disrespecting their customers it will be my last Ford product! Maybe they don't care, but someday they will and it might be too late!

 

[quirkybar8]

Ford is getting a real bad reputation not taking care of these problems. This is my first Ford since 93, and if they continue down this road of disrespecting their customers it will be my last Ford product! Maybe they don't care, but someday they will and it might be too late!

Who does consistently better though? Toyota blamed owners for engine failures due to sludge. I believe that was settled via class action. They have stepped up and replaced frames on trucks I suppose. Since I don't follow other manufacturers closely, I can't really speak to many other situations, like some of the CVT issues plaguing Nissan, etc. I'm not even sure what became of Honda's fuel dilution problems in their 1.5l GTDI. Somebody claimed it was PCM reprogramming, but what of longevity, etc? I looked at the ugly Civic hatch at one point, but those issues made it easy to drift away.

 

[Roaring Gorilla]

I continue to have gas smelling oil. My dipstick is consistently above the max dot when I check my oil. I have had five oil changes on my truck since ownership. I have 28k miles.

Lately, my biggest concern is how AWFUL my fuel economy has been. Making matters worse is how gas prices continue to skyrocket.

Since 2021 has began my BEST MPG has been 19 flat. My lowest has ben 16.2 MPG!!!! Now I am not stupid - I understand cold temps and wind speed impact my fuel economy. However, my driving habits have not changed. I still commute 88 miles daily to and from work. I consistently drive the same on the interstate and in town. I average 2 fill-ups per week.

Never once has the Ford Dealer alerted me to ANY concerns during my oil changes. I don't buy premium fuel very often because I hardly ever see a significant increase in fuel economy that justifies the extra dollar plus to buy 91/93 octane.

I am feeling sort of defeated. I really love my Ranger, but the fuel economy is not even close to what I was hoping to expect out of my truck. I am concerned I am experiencing oil dilution and I am concerned about the longevity of my truck.

 

[SymChris]

I continue to have gas smelling oil. My dipstick is consistently above the max dot when I check my oil. I have had five oil changes on my truck since ownership. I have 28k miles.

Lately, my biggest concern is how AWFUL my fuel economy has been. Making matters worse is how gas prices continue to skyrocket.

Since 2021 has began my BEST MPG has been 19 flat. My lowest has ben 16.2 MPG!!!! Now I am not stupid - I understand cold temps and wind speed impact my fuel economy. However, my driving habits have not changed. I still commute 88 miles daily to and from work. I consistently drive the same on the interstate and in town. I average 2 fill-ups per week.

Never once has the Ford Dealer alerted me to ANY concerns during my oil changes. I don't buy premium fuel very often because I hardly ever see a significant increase in fuel economy that justifies the extra dollar plus to buy 91/93 octane.

I am feeling sort of defeated. I really love my Ranger, but the fuel economy is not even close to what I was hoping to expect out of my truck. I am concerned I am experiencing oil dilution and I am concerned about the longevity of my truck.

I might sound like a dealer (which I am not even remotely close to), but come back in 4-5 months when the winter blend gas has been run through and be back to “normal”.

My money’s on you’ll be back to your 19mpg or better if you’re doing that much highway. At least I hope so

My (unverified) theory is that if I have no oils/fluids on my driveway and I ain’t blowing smoke while driving then it’s all good.

 

[Joeiconic]

From what I‘ve read, the recommended 6.2 quarts puts the oil level to the top of the hash marks maybe a little over. So how much gas would it take to push the level past the second hole. I’m guessing maybe a cup, if that?

 

[MotoWojo]

From what I‘ve read, the recommended 6.2 quarts puts the oil level to the top of the hash marks maybe a little over. So how much gas would it take to push the level past the second hole. I’m guessing maybe a cup, if that?

Yeah, from my experience during the last 8 oil changes in the past 11,000 miles, it moves fairly quickly up to the top hole. My guess is, that the shape of the engine cavity results in it rising quickly at first and then a bit slower when it gets up to the twist area. The field service engineer and a tech from Ford were at my dealership to run some tests on my truck and they took an oil sample back with them. This was 2-1/2 weeks ago, and within 300 miles I was about an 1/8in above the max hole. Another 200 miles after that, and I am now just below the twist. From my experience, it starts to move much slower when it gets into the twist area and levels off about 3/8in above the twist. I don't know what happens at that point, but it doesn't seem to rise further? Just above the twist is about 1.6qts of gas as measured during one of the oil changes. I had a voicemail from Ford Customer Service this morning and they will be calling me back on Monday. I am curious as to what the next steps will be. I have also not seen the results from the last 2 oil samples, but the first 3 indicated double digit fuel dilution. For reference, all 5 oil samples have been taken by Ford and sent out for testing. This last one has way more miles on it, as the Field Service Engineer wanted to see how bad the wear metals got after 5000 miles on the oil. I will be sure to update when I hear back from Ford.

 

[Joeiconic]

Yeah, from my experience during the last 8 oil changes in the past 11,000 miles, it moves fairly quickly up to the top hole. My guess is, that the shape of the engine cavity results in it rising quickly at first and then a bit slower when it gets up to the twist area. The field service engineer and a tech from Ford were at my dealership to run some tests on my truck and they took an oil sample back with them. This was 2-1/2 weeks ago, and within 300 miles I was about an 1/8in above the max hole. Another 200 miles after that, and I am now just below the twist. From my experience, it starts to move much slower when it gets into the twist area and levels off about 3/8in above the twist. I don't know what happens at that point, but it doesn't seem to rise further? Just above the twist is about 1.6qts of gas as measured during one of the oil changes. I had a voicemail from Ford Customer Service this morning and they will be calling me back on Monday. I am curious as to what the next steps will be. I have also not seen the results from the last 2 oil samples, but the first 3 indicated double digit fuel dilution. For reference, all 5 oil samples have been taken by Ford and sent out for testing. This last one has way more miles on it, as the Field Service Engineer wanted to see how bad the wear metals got after 5000 miles on the oil. I will be sure to update when I hear back from Ford.

You seem to be an extreme example, unfortunately. I hope Ford can sort it out to your satisfaction. For those around the second hole, I honesty wouldn’t be too worried.

 

[Wade]

Hey, OP here. I assume most of you are familiar with my original story with the rapidly rising crankcase levels. Since having my injectors replaced 20,000 miles ago the problem has never returned at that same level. However, during the very cold weather we had not long ago I did notice the oil level rising just slightly, as many of you have noted in your own trucks. It didn't concern me much, but it got me thinking about using an injector cleaner, which the tech who fixed my problem recommended I do with some regularity. So I bought some Lucas upper cylinder lubricant and injector cleaner, and added it to my tank. This coincided with warmer weather, so you can draw your own conclusions with that. But my oil level went back down and fuel economy increased substantially. I got 28 mpg mostly cruising at 73 mph over a 400 mile trip, confirmed at the pump. My truck has 4wd with the FX4 package too. Thought I would share that with you guys experiencing more "mild" cases of rising oil level.

 

[2ford]

Hey, OP here. I assume most of you are familiar with my original story with the rapidly rising crankcase levels. Since having my injectors replaced 20,000 miles ago the problem has never returned at that same level. However, during the very cold weather we had not long ago I did notice the oil level rising just slightly, as many of you have noted in your own trucks. It didn't concern me much, but it got me thinking about using an injector cleaner, which the tech who fixed my problem recommended I do with some regularity. So I bought some Lucas upper cylinder lubricant and injector cleaner, and added it to my tank. This coincided with warmer weather, so you can draw your own conclusions with that. But my oil level went back down and fuel economy increased substantially. I got 28 mpg mostly cruising at 73 mph over a 400 mile trip, confirmed at the pump. My truck has 4wd with the FX4 package too. Thought I would share that with you guys experiencing more "mild" cases of rising oil level.

Wade thanks for the update. Great news

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