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I remember being stuck for 3 days back in the early 80's, when my car wouldn't start because of the cold. I believe it was -15f for a couple days. It's been < -10f for a couple days now and both my Ranger and Model Y are running fine. Gotta love these "headlines". LOL
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geez look at all that waste of materials, time, money, and environment killing, slave labor supporting... sad.
HAHA! Like our love affair with oil doesn't do exactly the same thing.
 

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I remember being stuck for 3 days back in the early 80's, when my car wouldn't start because of the cold. I believe it was -15f for a couple days. It's been < -10f for a couple days now and both my Ranger and Model Y are running fine. Gotta love these "headlines". LOL
Well, it is a Fox station after all.
 

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Id still trade my ice Ranger for an E Ranger in a heartbeat , it would only get charged at home and would stay inside nice and warm and we would cuddle ?and love each other and I could zip over here and zip over there and it would be smooth and quiet and all techy and i would feel like lm from the future ...and I could scratch one more thing off my bucket list ...
 


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My buddy loves his Tesla Y. He went to Florida for a month for a break from the cold. They drove his wife's Lexus. He will tell you it's a pain for long distance travel and renting a house that doesn't have a upgraded charger sucks.

They may meet everyone's needs some day but that is years and years away.

HAHA! Like our love affair with oil doesn't do exactly the same thing.
It's probably about the same as all the energy used an carbon produced making those batteries an charging them on chargers running on coal fired plants. Giant earth moving machines raping the earth for the rare metals, the fuel used to ship the raw materials, the energy used to process them, then the energy used to make the batteries.

If you like electric cars great, buy one. It isn't saving the earth. IMO the most realistic alternative is nuclear power and the greenies run like hell from it.
 

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My buddy loves his Tesla Y. He went to Florida for a month for a break from the cold. They drove his wife's Lexus. He will tell you it's a pain for long distance travel and renting a house that doesn't have a upgraded charger sucks.

They may meet everyone's needs some day but that is years and years away.

It's probably about the same as all the energy used an carbon produced making those batteries an charging them on chargers running on coal fired plants. Giant earth moving machines raping the earth for the rare metals, the fuel used to ship the raw materials, the energy used to process them, then the energy used to make the batteries.

If you like electric cars great, buy one. It isn't saving the earth. IMO the most realistic alternative is nuclear power and the greenies run like hell from it.
I didn't say I like EV'S, although they work for urban environments, for my money Hydrogen powered is the way to go, unending supply and 100% recoverable. Use pocket sized Nuclear (think Nuc Sub size) plants to convert water, compress and use the hydrogen for powering all manner of equipment . Run it thru a catalyst to provide electricity to power the rest. The O2 has many uses as well.
 

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The EV apologists have arrived.

It's actually not like everyone with a Ranger sitting at a gas station with no gas. Why? Because gas stations still work in the cold.

A better analogy would be like all Ranger owners sitting at a limited number of gas stations, that only Rangers can use, that don't have any fuel BECAUSE it's too cold out.

Haven't seen that happen yet, keep your double AA powered car I'll stick with gasoline.

The part the story is glossing over is the charge protection for the battery. If you charge a cold battery you can damage it. Most smart devices down to your phone know this and won't charge a cold battery so if your Tesla has been sitting outside all night and it's low on juice to begin with and you were planning on juicing up before work when it's -30F with the wind chill...

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Hence one of the comments about battery conditioning. Unlike an ICE vehicle you can't dump some juice in once it's dead, either. You have to either tow it to a charging station or have somebody tow a generator to your location to charge it.

Wave of the future ?? powered by unicorn ? ? farts and good thoughts instead of the dirty coal fired electrical power plant miles away you can't see while you're too busy virtue signaling to the rest of the world ?

Maybe I'll use that map for some laughs tomorrow and drive by some of those charging stations and laugh at the battery powered nerds from my warm and dirty ICE powered Ranger ?
Just bad design.

Chevrolet Volt had this covered with a cooling/heating loop on the battery. When the temperature was just too cold like -40'C/-40'F you just plugged it in and the car would warm up the battery and then charge it. (You couldn't do it on the attached ICE generator, because that used drive battery to start the car). If you parked it to some remote location with no electricity you could warm it up with either a generator or inverter from another car and a plug.

And we're talking about a 2009 vehicle.

So we can note that the issue is not with the battery, not availability of electricity, but in having just lousy engineering company making lousy products and cutting costs in any possible front causing issues to the users.

And for the Ranger analogy.. At least my Ranger is brick at -40'C, if it starts it will throw up all possible codes starting with 4x4 failure and what else. But give it 10-20 minutes with the add-on diesel heater and it starts just fine.
 

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Yeah, but at a Tesla Supercharger Facility you might not have Supercharging capabilities due to Tesla making an oopsie and turning off the feature because the vehicle was claimed to be a salvage by accident or something..... So yeah I'll keep my Petrol Power for a while. Even I know the technology is not quite there
You've been watching too much YOUTUBE. You can ALWAYS charge your battery.

I get it, EV's aren't for everyone (Yes I own a Tesla too). But I charge at home and it costs me $30-40 per month and I have a full battery for every trip and can go 300 miles. I have driven much further than that and just use the SuperCharger network (80% full in 45 minuites). It's not CHEAP to SuperCharge, $15-20 each time I have used one. I keep a Tesla Charging Adapter in my glovebox so I can use other chargers if needed. Yes the COLD is hard on EV's but the Tesla has one of the best battery management systems of all EV's (Nissan, Honda, Acura and even Mercedes use air cooled battery management) and guess what? Their batteries do not last. I use my Ranger when I need to tow or haul anything and the Tesla for everything else. It's really the best of all worlds. Besides there is nothing like the acceleration.

The news story just seemed ridiculous to me.
 

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You've been watching too much YOUTUBE. You can ALWAYS charge your battery.

I get it, EV's aren't for everyone (Yes I own a Tesla too). But I charge at home and it costs me $30-40 per month and I have a full battery for every trip and can go 300 miles. I have driven much further than that and just use the SuperCharger network (80% full in 45 minuites). It's not CHEAP to SuperCharge, $15-20 each time I have used one. I keep a Tesla Charging Adapter in my glovebox so I can use other chargers if needed. Yes the COLD is hard on EV's but the Tesla has one of the best battery management systems of all EV's (Nissan, Honda, Acura and even Mercedes use air cooled battery management) and guess what? Their batteries do not last. I use my Ranger when I need to tow or haul anything and the Tesla for everything else. It's really the best of all worlds. Besides there is nothing like the acceleration.

The news story just seemed ridiculous to me.
Perhaps you did not notice that I said you loose the "Supercharging" through the "Tesla" network if Tesla makes a simple change in the programming. That doesn't mean you can't charge the battery. You can still charge it at the Tesla Network, but you will be taking a lot longer to get it done. Toy understanding the feature is only disabled through that particular network.

As for battery technology at this current point in time, I can promise that it is certainly not up to par for what we would need in order to do what we can with Gas and Diesel vehicles at this time. Will it change? Most likely, but it will take time. And if you are wondering I already deal with quite a few different Electric units that are Forklift Based and they can average about 8 hours of use on a fully charged battery that is still in good shape. I'm well aware of what an electric vehicle can do once the technology is there
 

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You've been watching too much YOUTUBE. You can ALWAYS charge your battery.

I get it, EV's aren't for everyone (Yes I own a Tesla too). But I charge at home and it costs me $30-40 per month and I have a full battery for every trip and can go 300 miles. I have driven much further than that and just use the SuperCharger network (80% full in 45 minuites). It's not CHEAP to SuperCharge, $15-20 each time I have used one. I keep a Tesla Charging Adapter in my glovebox so I can use other chargers if needed. Yes the COLD is hard on EV's but the Tesla has one of the best battery management systems of all EV's (Nissan, Honda, Acura and even Mercedes use air cooled battery management) and guess what? Their batteries do not last. I use my Ranger when I need to tow or haul anything and the Tesla for everything else. It's really the best of all worlds. Besides there is nothing like the acceleration.

The news story just seemed ridiculous to me.
End of the day all that matters is that you like it, because none of us have to (or want to ?) drive it.

I piss all over EVs because there's SOOO much hype and push for them and frankly, no upside at all. They don't do anything better than an ICE vehicle.

The acceleration is better, okay ? I'll give you that, it's how electric motors work after all, but what else does it do better? Nothing.

They don't have better range. Your routes are limited by the charging infrastructure. Your progress along the route is slowed by charging times. (80% in 45 minutes with a supercharger ?, I'm 100% fueled in 5) They aren't cleaner as all the hippies try to claim. They eat through tires faster. They're heavier.

Other than my 0-60 time I'm not seeing any upside other than looking down my nose at people like that prick Steven Colbert.



If you like it, that's great ? I just don't see a single advantage beyond acceleration and a lot of negatives for making the switch. Yet a lot of owners are just insufferable about the EV movement if you question it's validity for a second.

Then they're flabbergasted if the battery pack takes a dump and they get a bill from the shop for $30k to replace it. ??‍♂
 

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I hate ‘em.

Not because they’re an EV. Because like most other EVs, they’re way too Fugly. They seemed to be on the right path with their early roadster but everything else has either been too wide, too tall, too bulbous. It’s like they’re trying to NOT win any design awards.

Whenever one is in front of me on the highway (usually driving slow in the left lane), I either stop for gas, reduce my speed until it’s out of sight, or pass it. I just don’t want to look at one for that long. :puke:

Drive one? No way I’d drive a car that looks like the Geico gecko.

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This is horrible design. You have to collect hay for all summer and oats in autumn just to keep this design running. And if you get unlucky with weather you even have to pile the hay to haystack in order to get it somewhat dry and survive over winter.

Only positive thing with these is that the new model comes each year for free (although you have to relearn the AI on each individual vehicle).

Trust me, I know these things as I've been feeding them since 90's...
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