Fuel in oil

[Trustable]

You’ve documented the “problem” and you have a 5/60k warranty, so just drive it. If you‘ve read this entire lengthy thread, you have noted that there isn’t a single documented engine failure reported. Also, buying an extended warranty at your low mileage would be cheaper than trading.

I understand where your coming from and have tried to think like that, but this "problem" has been verified to be harmful for the life of my vehicle by two dealers, multiple techs I have spoken to at the dealers, one independent mechanic, one retired ford engineer, and one engineer previously employed by ford. The service advisor kept telling me about the warranty being 5 years, but acknowledged that's probably not helpful in my case. As I said, the only piece of advice he gave me was to complain to ford customer care until they take action, lemon it, or sell it. I was told not to drive it if possible by a tech who I talked to before my second appointment, so it is a problem. I dont expect there to be engine failures yet, not enough miles or time has been put on these vehicles. But there is damage being caused to the engine, that is certain. If I had the money to not worry about it, I would totally agree with you, but I expect mechanical issues to be fixed when I buy a new vehicle. I dont have the convenience of just having it break down or in and out of service and going to a second vehicle or rental, as I am in a rural area. This is my second vehicle from Ford in the last 7 years with a serious issue, first was the focus with the DCT, now this. (The reason I bought another ford was because of A-plan). Ford offers no real solution to either of them, the closest being the band aid fix on the focus where they reprogram the transmission control module, which doesn't make a difference most of the time. I had that transmission shut down on me 3 times while going low speeds, and if I was on the highway I surely would have gotten into an accident. (The whole dash (rpms, speedo, display) goes dark and all related gauges besides fuel and temp go to 0 and I lost all drive)The last thing I want to do is continue to make payments on a vehicle that I am worrying about when its going to break or need service, IMO it doesn't matter if they gave me an extended warranty because Id still be worrying about it every time I turned the key. I still plan to call customer care because I would like to see it fixed, and not have to worry about it. But im expecting a buyback/lemon or to have to sell it.

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[Wytchdctr]

Agreed , whatever is in the oil , Ford is ok with it , so im ok with it .

Gas is a great cleaning agent.....

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Exactly how I felt,BULLSHIT! I got rid of mine and bought a Honda Ridgeline makes you leary of American companies. Tried to support an American manufacturer and got screwed!

We had to get rid of our 2021 HONDA CRV for a major ( way worse than anything on this forum) fuel dilution issue. Be leery of any manufacturers foreign or domestic if it’s a DI turbo motor

 

[N. J. Jim]

We had to get rid of our 2021 HONDA CRV for a major ( way worse than anything on this forum) fuel dilution issue. Be leery of any manufacturers foreign or domestic if it’s a DI turbo motor

Yeah I know but if I do have any issues hopefully Honda will stand behind their product. It is a direct inject engine but not a turbo it's a V 6 . If I have an issue and they refuse to take care of it then I would be done with Honda too ! I will not support a company that does not stand behind their product ! I realize some of the new technology is pushing the limits to achieve better milage and a cleaner running engine so like you say maybe any manufacturer is a crap shoot!

We had to get rid of our 2021 HONDA CRV for a major ( way worse than anything on this forum) fuel dilution issue. Be leery of any manufacturers foreign or domestic if it’s a DI turbo motor

Not a turbo!

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Yeah I know but if I do have any issues hopefully Honda will stand behind their product. It is a direct inject engine but not a turbo it's a V 6 . If I have an issue and they refuse to take care of it then I would be done with Honda too ! I will not support a company that does not stand behind their product ! I realize some of the new technology is pushing the limits to achieve better milage and a cleaner running engine so like you say maybe any manufacturer is a crap shoot!

Not a turbo!

They flat out told is there was nothing that could be done. We turned it back in and got a Passport ( V6 non turbo, same motor as yours). They treated us well. Gave us what we paid for it with 4K miles. No issues with fuel dilution at 8K so far.

 

[Muffin1]

I'm curious as to why the fuel in the oil wouldn't be burned off inside the super hot cylinders metal parts plus the ignition cycle spark? Or is a lot of it being burned but not all and that's what's showing up on reports or seeing & smelling on dipstick.
Obviously I'm not a engine guru on these things so excuse me for the question just curious like i said.

 

[Trustable]

We had to get rid of our 2021 HONDA CRV for a major ( way worse than anything on this forum) fuel dilution issue. Be leery of any manufacturers foreign or domestic if it’s a DI turbo motor

Yeah. I agree. I’ve noticed a lot more manufactures are offering 2-2.5 na inline 4s Compared to when the only modern vehicles from ford that have that option are the transit connect and the eco sport. Perhaps a sign of things to come. I’ve been looking at leasing the telluride. Got an na v6 and on paper gets better mpg than the ranger. i think if I buy another turbo it will be 5-10 years on a fun car or something, not some thing I drive everyday.

 

[MotoWojo]

It was before the first dealership about a a quarter to half quart over full ( about 2 inches above twist on dipstick), when I took it in this time to the dealership where I bought the vehicle from, it was about on the twist, but smelled like gas. It smelled of gas the first day after the first dealer did oil change as well. It only seems to happen when driving as well, which Is why I believe a tear down is the only way this is gonna get fixed, could be the piston rings or pcv. Where as when the car sits for a few days, doesnt seem to increase at all.

This does not sound right? At this point, I have not seen anyone who has this issue worse than my truck. Unless your truck has a different dipstick, 2" above the twist is a hell of a lot more than a "quart to half quart over full". I just did a 7500 mile interval oil change, the longest I have went with this issue, and I drained 8.1 qts out during the change. I only put in 6 qts every change now, so that is 2.1 qts over full and the level on the dipstick was only ~1/2" over the twist. You may have not gotten a "good" check? What I have done over this 2 year/27,000mile ordeal, is to check my oil in the morning after my truck has sat overnight. This gives me a reliable reading I can use. For my truck, after 17 service attempts, Ford has decided the truck is fine and double digit fuel dilution is not harming the engine. Ford has replaced the HPFP, all 4 injectors - twice, all high pressure fuel lines, the complete oil separator system, and several ECU program changes without the slightest bit of change. Ford concluded that this issue is just a characteristic of the 2.3L in some Rangers and is not hurting the engine. I believe I posted that reply, from the field service engineer, somewhere in this thread. They did however, extend my Powertrain warranty to 7yr/100k.

For those wondering, I did try the buyback/replacement route and it was denied. Ford told me they strictly go by the Lemon law in your state and in WI, it sucks. In WI, Ford gets 4 service attempts during the first year of ownership to fix the issue. If it extends past 1 year before the fourth service attempt, you are SOL. My issue started 10 months into ownership, with scheduling problems to boot, as it was during the start of the pandemic. I have also investigated the Carvana, Carmax, Vroom, and "trade-in" routes, but I haven't seen anywhere near the offers others have posted.

After you deal with Ford Customer Care for a while, you will discover how worthless it is. Those gals you talk to on the phone really have no decision making power at all. IMHO, Ford is trying to meet it's new goal of reducing warranty costs the wrong way. What happened to Ford - Quality - Job 1? Good luck to you.

 

[N. J. Jim]

This does not sound right? At this point, I have not seen anyone who has this issue worse than my truck. Unless your truck has a different dipstick, 2" above the twist is a hell of a lot more than a "quart to half quart over full". I just did a 7500 mile interval oil change, the longest I have went with this issue, and I drained 8.1 qts out during the change. I only put in 6 qts every change now, so that is 2.1 qts over full and the level on the dipstick was only ~1/2" over the twist. You may have not gotten a "good" check? What I have done over this 2 year/27,000mile ordeal, is to check my oil in the morning after my truck has sat overnight. This gives me a reliable reading I can use. For my truck, after 17 service attempts, Ford has decided the truck is fine and double digit fuel dilution is not harming the engine. Ford has replaced the HPFP, all 4 injectors - twice, all high pressure fuel lines, the complete oil separator system, and several ECU program changes without the slightest bit of change. Ford concluded that this issue is just a characteristic of the 2.3L in some Rangers and is not hurting the engine. I believe I posted that reply, from the field service engineer, somewhere in this thread. They did however, extend my Powertrain warranty to 7yr/100k.

For those wondering, I did try the buyback/replacement route and it was denied. Ford told me they strictly go by the Lemon law in your state and in WI, it sucks. In WI, Ford gets 4 service attempts during the first year of ownership to fix the issue. If it extends past 1 year before the fourth service attempt, you are SOL. My issue started 10 months into ownership, with scheduling problems to boot, as it was during the start of the pandemic. I have also investigated the Carvana, Carmax, Vroom, and "trade-in" routes, but I haven't seen anywhere near the offers others have posted.

After you deal with Ford Customer Care for a while, you will discover how worthless it is. Those gals you talk to on the phone really have no decision making power at all. IMHO, Ford is trying to meet it's new goal of reducing warranty costs the wrong way. What happened to Ford - Quality - Job 1? Good luck to you.

Job 1 became FU!!!

 

[Trustable]

This does not sound right? At this point, I have not seen anyone who has this issue worse than my truck. Unless your truck has a different dipstick, 2" above the twist is a hell of a lot more than a "quart to half quart over full". I just did a 7500 mile interval oil change, the longest I have went with this issue, and I drained 8.1 qts out during the change. I only put in 6 qts every change now, so that is 2.1 qts over full and the level on the dipstick was only ~1/2" over the twist. You may have not gotten a "good" check? What I have done over this 2 year/27,000mile ordeal, is to check my oil in the morning after my truck has sat overnight. This gives me a reliable reading I can use. For my truck, after 17 service attempts, Ford has decided the truck is fine and double digit fuel dilution is not harming the engine. Ford has replaced the HPFP, all 4 injectors - twice, all high pressure fuel lines, the complete oil separator system, and several ECU program changes without the slightest bit of change. Ford concluded that this issue is just a characteristic of the 2.3L in some Rangers and is not hurting the engine. I believe I posted that reply, from the field service engineer, somewhere in this thread. They did however, extend my Powertrain warranty to 7yr/100k.

For those wondering, I did try the buyback/replacement route and it was denied. Ford told me they strictly go by the Lemon law in your state and in WI, it sucks. In WI, Ford gets 4 service attempts during the first year of ownership to fix the issue. If it extends past 1 year before the fourth service attempt, you are SOL. My issue started 10 months into ownership, with scheduling problems to boot, as it was during the start of the pandemic. I have also investigated the Carvana, Carmax, Vroom, and "trade-in" routes, but I haven't seen anywhere near the offers others have posted.

After you deal with Ford Customer Care for a while, you will discover how worthless it is. Those gals you talk to on the phone really have no decision making power at all. IMHO, Ford is trying to meet it's new goal of reducing warranty costs the wrong way. What happened to Ford - Quality - Job 1? Good luck to you.

It’s possible I may not have gotten a good check and it’s not that much over twist. But it was confirmed to be between .25 qts-.5 qts full by dealer. Yes I remember you telling me about the extended warranty they offered you. I have called them once before but now Im calling for a solution And nothing less. If it drags on though, Im cutting my loses and leasing something. Funny about the quality is Job 1. Just saw a window sticker from the 90s that said that. How things have changed…

 

[dapakattack]

Job 1 became FU!!!

They just changed the finger they hold up.

 

[Langwilliams]

My guess is most new gen ranger owners never open the hood an just take the truck in at the oil change interval...Assuming that...there are either a ton of rangers with this problem on the road or people not knowing about it, driving the snot out of it an not having any problems or those trucks are low mile leases an getting turned in before anything goes boom. I haven't heard of engine failures from this yet but I know the oldest ones are around 3 years old an probably don't have enough mileage to expose it.

 

[Trustable]

My guess is most new gen ranger owners never open the hood an just take the truck in at the oil change interval...Assuming that...there are either a ton of rangers with this problem on the road or people not knowing about it, driving the snot out of it an not having any problems or those trucks are low mile leases an getting turned in before anything goes boom. I haven't heard of engine failures from this yet but I know the oldest ones are around 3 years old an probably don't have enough mileage to expose it.

I agree, I am sure 80% of ranger owners have never even opened the hood besides to refill washer fluid, that's the attitude that people have to all vehicles now, to each his own i guess, but if more people were checking Ford would be forced to fix it.

 

[JasonTremor]

I captured the oil on my first change as part of my engineering side and can confirm that 3/8" above max fill hole equates to between 6.75 and 7 quarts of oil. I lost a little in drips and what was soaked into the filter media. Depending on the shape and volume of the oil pan it is likely not linear so 3/8" higher than that could yield a different volume.

 

[JustSteve]

You’ve documented the “problem” and you have a 5/60k warranty, so just drive it. If you‘ve read this entire lengthy thread, you have noted that there isn’t a single documented engine failure reported. Also, buying an extended warranty at your low mileage would be cheaper than trading.

I am not convinced this issue is being documented. I mention it every time I get an oil change and it never makes it on the service order. I called Ford Customer Service. They called the dealer, and they had no record of my complaints. Finally, Customer Service called back and said they wouldn't do anything about my problem. But they assured me that if my engine blew up under warranty, then they would repair it.

But what about after that?

EDIT: I should have added that neither the dealer or Ford would allow me to send them my Blackstone reports.

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