Think I Threw a Rod....

[txquailguy]

i differ slightly in the fact I like people to recognize i am being a smart ass. lets me know i hit the target audience.

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[JAKE2.3]

A tank of bad fuel or the wrong octane followed by some spirited driving can grenade an engine that is tuned for maximum performance on premium. In NJ they still have attendants to pump your gas. Twice in one year I had 87 octane pumped instead of 93. Got a full tank once, noticed the mistake on the receipt. I never use a station that looks sketchy, because I have no way of knowing what grade fuel is actually in THEIR tanks.
Not saying this was the case here but it's something to be aware of.

Just one of the reasons I dislike that state. I always pump my own for just such reason. My wife thinks I'm neurotic, I think the world is full of dummies.

 

[JAKE2.3]

Something to remember, you bought the tune at your own risk!!! Simple as that. Guess what, when I bought the tune from Livernois I more or less completely voided my powertrain..... That is as long as Ford can prove my tune cause said powertrain failure. I understood that when I bought it. With that said if my engine all of a sudden goes KABOOM and Ford sees the tune Guess who gets to pay for a new engine? It certainly will not be Ford.

Hope this helps your understanding

This has always been my thought. I have no qualms with tuning an engine, but when I do, I am fully prepared to replace it on my dime should something go south. If I could get the manufacturer to cover it? Great! But I certainly don't put all my eggs in that basket.

 

[t4thfavor]

I think a point of clarity is in order.

Benny said: "The warranty cannot be voided by installing a part"

This objectively means that they cannot unilaterally remove the warranty if you install X part (or tune, or whatever), BUT it means if said part can be linked to the failure, then the failure is not covered.

I.E If you have a tuned engine, and the Whichamacalit sensor stops working, and the whichamacalit sensor is not linked to the tune in any way (like maybe it's the sensor controlling the AC compressor), then the whichamacalit sensor will be replaced under warranty.

Now throw a rod, and if the rod doesn't have the letters "NFG" stamped on it when you eventually find it in the woods, you're failure will not be covered. Though they would still replace the whichamacalit sensor at a later date under warranty.

 

[Anthony]

The way this thread is going, it reminds of this twenty year old one from another forum I am on: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum8/HTML/000013.html

I still have my Fiero from shortly after I I graduated high school (1990). Of course it has 350 V8 in it now (ok, I actually sold it to my brother...but still in the family!)

 

[t4thfavor]

I still have my Fiero from shortly after I I graduated high school (1990). Of course it has 350 V8 in it now (ok, I actually sold it to my brother...but still in the family!)

I love the ones where people put the SC3800 in them. The 3800 isn't anything miraculous by it's self, but it makes that car so much fun

 

[Gizmokid2005]

@Stage3Motorsports also, fair enough.

I have faith in the explanation granted to me from @LevittownFordParts.com that the Ford tune does not affect my powertrain or extended warranty contracts. There are A LOT of members here however that do think that the Ford tune makes their powertrain and extended warranties only valid for the tune's warranty (3/36k) and that if something catastrophic happened after 3/36k that Ford could deny the powertrain and extended warranties BECAUSE of the Ford tune being installed. Such is the prevailing speculation on this thread, "a tune is a tune".

Sure no problem. Please understand I am not a Ford warranty administrator but my understanding has always been based on the FPP warranty info listed here https://performanceparts.ford.com/download/PDFS/fpp-warranty.pdf

1) Nothing, The warranty cannot be voided simply due to an installed component.

2) No, If found to be at fault it becomes the end user's responsibility.

3) Same as above as the initial coverage only extends to 36k.

I think your questions are great and cover all of the variables but let me know if there are any alternate scenarios or questions.

- Benny

This is interesting, because the answer to #2 and #3 seem to contradict the answer to #1. Also, I posed a similar question to one of your salesman (Mike D) but instead of Project Midnight it was myself, and the catastrophic damages was a malfunctioned ECM. Mike D. assured me that the ECM would be covered by my powertrain warranty if it occurred after 3/36k. If I was told otherwise (as you just did), I probably would not have purchased the tune as I would like more than 3/36k coverage on my truck, hence the purchase of an extended warranty.

It looks like I owe @Frenchy an apology because he seems to be correct. Even though not explicitly stated, and in fact explicitly states the opposite, but the powertrain warranty gets "downgraded" to 3/36k. What crummy language Ford uses in that warranty.

Looks like I should look into getting refunded on my extended warranty since it is useless now after installing the Ford tune. While I am a little upset at @LevittownFordParts.com salesman deceiving me to make a sale, it wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary from a dealership. Thank you for clarifying, Benny.

Just to add to this, I looked into extended warranties when I bought out the lease on my '15 Mustang EB and had been considering the FPP tune. After dealing with the dealership and them dealing with Ford's warranty department directly, it was determined that the tune's warranty was 3/36k from purchase without question, as mentioned above.

However, it doesn't *override* the factory warranties, it only supplements them for 3/36k to cover damage found to be caused by the FPP tune.

 

[Racket]

I still have my Fiero from shortly after I I graduated high school (1990). Of course it has 350 V8 in it now (ok, I actually sold it to my brother...but still in the family!)

I had three, and miss all of them.

I know it's a cult car, but we had a saying "Buy a Fiero, Become a Mechanic"

 

[thewhiteranger]

I hope the OP keeps us updated. I would be surprised if ford paid the bill on this one mostly because he says he kept driving (understandably due to time and place it happened ) it after the low oil pressure light they'll use that to deny the claim most likely. just curious, is the oil pump engine driven? or electric on these engines? I thought I saw something on that but I am probably wrong. I wish there was a way to get oil pressure, boost and the rest of the gauges displayed on these trucks seems like it should be a simple software thing to add it then he'd have known more about what was going on.
good luck!

 

[HenryMac]

I wish there was a way to get oil pressure, boost and the rest of the gauges displayed on these trucks seems like it should be a simple software thing to add it then he'd have known more about what was going on.
good luck!

It's pretty simple, and like everything else, expensive. There's another thread on 5g about that.


Additional "Software Gauges" Available?

 

[thewhiteranger]

It's pretty simple, and like everything else, expensive. There's another thread on 5g about that.


Additional "Software Gauges" Available?

I just mean that it should be a simple software issue to have our headhunts display the info like an after market one can -- the truck knows all of it so why not tell me? for a tow vehicle those things would be helpful and its laziness on fords part to not show it'll One thing I did like about the canyon is that you can see most of that on the info center display if you want to see it -- there is zero reason why ford can't as well. I wish they would the idiot light is to little to late --- " you have just ruined your engine" I have looked for simple add on solutions but haven't found one yet.

 

[Big Blue]

I wish there was a way to get oil pressure, boost and the rest of the gauges displayed on these trucks seems like it should be a simple software thing to add it then he'd have known more about what was going on.
good luck!

Boost, transmission temp, engine temp and many other things are quite easy to do using a OBD reader and anyone of several apps on your phone or tablet. Oil pressure and temp are a different matter. Our trucks in Ford's infinite wisdom only has a pressure switch and no temp sender. So no go there without plumbing in a gauge.

 

[thewhiteranger]

Boost, transmission temp, engine temp and many other things are quite easy to do using a OBD reader and anyone of several apps on your phone or tablet. Oil pressure and temp are a different matter. Our trucks in Ford's infinite wisdom only has a pressure switch and no temp sender. So no go there without plumbing in a gauge.

I haven't seen that tread yet I may have ignored it because it said 'android' and I use apple but I think I saw that it is now avail on apple as well I may look into that I just like having gauges. -- thanks!

 

[Big Blue]

I haven't seen that tread yet I may have ignored it because it said 'android' and I use apple but I think I saw that it is now avail on apple as well I may look into that I just like having gauges. -- thanks!

There are a number of IOS apps as well as Android that will display gauges. Forscan for making setting changed is Android only.

 

[Trigganometry]

There are a number of IOS apps as well as Android that will display gauges. Forscan for making setting changed is Android only.

Look for OBDlink brand. For iPhone Bluetooth ones don’t work. At least when I got mine years ago they didn’t. Nice thing about them is you can create your own dash boards, gauges, colors etc. So the layout on your phone, iPad is organized for your own preferences. Anything coming from the OBD port is data that can be displayed.

I got the wired one for Forscan as they say it’s not a good idea to make changes using wireless tools.

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