Some Trailering Bones to Pick With Ford

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I don't have *long term* experience with the towing, and the towing temps weren't that high, the off-roading was. The towing I did was 5500lbs through mountains here in CA along the west coast and it didn't even break a sweat. Looking back through my Torque datalogs (which has been a long-standing back-burner project) it appears that my transmission temp PID is not being logged, so I don't have specific numbers to look back at, but I remember in all of my catching the gauges by eye I don't ever recall seeing much past 220°F in severe off-road instances.
Thanks, good to have some data at least.
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I agree to an extent, a lot of the things mentioned is why I bought a base model XL (you guys have cruise control?) I didn’t mind adding a hitch, a brake controller and all the wiring, although I was a bit confused that the wiring wasn’t even there for a brake controller.. but oh well.

I aimed my headlights down so I’m not a jerk lol I’d rather not have an electronic headlight adjuster.

All your complaints about tow/haul mode seem to be normal on a lot of other trucks.

I personally don’t really have any complaints with how the truck tows, I found this truck to be very impressive in that aspect.
 

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I couldn't disagree with #3 any more. I don't like tow/haul mode. It's wonky, it does strange things. This MAY be because of the 5star tune, but I don't like it at all. I just lock the truck out of 10th gear and make manual shifts as necessary.

What I DO wish is that it were like the Super Duty. My dad has an F-250. When the truck recognizes the trailer it actually changes the auto-flash or whatever of the turn signals from 3 flashes to 5.

I wish it also had a separate Trailer setting for fuel economy numbers like the SD does. My mileage looks atrocious because I tow fairly often.

I've towed across the country three times with my Ranger and think it does a great job; not just for its size, but for any truck. I get better MPG than my dad's SD doing it, too.
 

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Gizmokid2005, how much weight would you say you're towing? I'm interested in your experiences with the 100+ degree heat if you are towing around 5000 lbs. I'm used to watching my temp gauges on my previous towing vehicle and miss those a bit when towing with my '20 Ranger.
We're towing a bit over 6,000 wet. Even going up steep passes at altitudes over 6,000 feet, I've never seen the temp gauge budge. Unfortunately, I don't know what the temps are in the transmission.
 

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I wish it also had a separate Trailer setting for fuel economy numbers like the SD does. My mileage looks atrocious because I tow fairly often.
It would be nice if the DTE would adjust based upon if a trailer is connected or not. We average a bit less than 10 mpg on the highway with the trailer, but over 20 without. So after we drop the trailer, we continue to get nagged that we have less than 50 miles left even with a quarter tank or more.
 


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Sorry boys if any auto manufacturer put everything that someone wanted on their vehicle then what do you think that the price would be? There are a lot of gadgets on vehicles now that most people will never use.
 

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I couldn't disagree with #3 any more. I don't like tow/haul mode. It's wonky, it does strange things. This MAY be because of the 5star tune, but I don't like it at all. I just lock the truck out of 10th gear and make manual shifts as necessary.
I haven't found anything wonky with the function of tow/haul mode. I'd contact 5 Star and have them check the programming.
Sorry boys if any auto manufacturer put everything that someone wanted on their vehicle then what do you think that the price would be? There are a lot of gadgets on vehicles now that most people will never use.
True, but a lot of items guys are asking for here are only programming items that shouldn't increase the cost of the vehicle.
 

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Nothing is free. It still takes someone's time to do it and even programmers should get paid for their work. Add in all the cuts Ford and the dealers and all the other middle-men gets on top of that and I wouldn't surprised to see a few hundred dollar bump in pricing for simple programming features.
Yes and no; to some degree ford (and other legacy manufacturers) are stewing in a bureaucratic mess they made themselves. Would it cost ford that much? Probably. Should it? I don't think that came down written on stone tablets.
 

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My point is that it isn't free to create new things, or alter existing things, or do anything in general. It costs something, and most of the time that cost is paid for by the consumer in some form or another.
I don't know about you, but my truck wasn't free. Does it cost money to do things? Of course. The question is whether each person thinks they're getting good value for the money they pay, and as a related question, whether Ford is providing good value for the money it gets or whether it's blowing a lot of it on overhead that does nothing for their customers or their products. As a general statement I think the car manufacturers have insanely padded margins on things like infotainment (there's no way it cost Ford even 10% of the $995 the nav option is listed at) and they're using those margins to pad profits and/or cover losses on other items. Can they do that? Of course--but if someone else comes along who can build a vehicle that I want while providing better value by offering well-designed and supported electronics, Ford isn't giving me any reason to be loyal to them. There are a lot of little things Ford could do that would make for happier customers and build brand loyalty, but Ford would rather pinch every penny until it squeals. But here's a thought--what's the cost of those little things vs say a major ad campaign? The status quo is the result of a series of decisions, not an unchangeable fact, and with each decision they're defining what they want their relationship with their customers to be.

edit to add: I suppose it might well be costing ford more than 100 bucks for the nav, but that would be entirely on them and if so they really need to get their IT house in order
 
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That's not what I'm arguing against at all. DHH said it "shouldn't increase the cost of the vehicle." All I was saying was that in my opinion, it would. That's all.
I get it, but I'm arguing that it increases the cost of the vehicle only if that's how Ford decides to allocate the money. :) One can imagine a world in which Ford figures out how to manage its IT better, cuts costs, increases profits, is more responsive about bug fixes & feature enhancements, and doesn't touch the price at all. Sadly, we just don't seem to be living in that world.
 

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Everything on a vehicle has to be engineered, tested and approved. They aint no free stuff. Socialists have you buffaloed.
 

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Nothing is free. It still takes someone's time to do it and even programmers should get paid for their work. Add in all the cuts Ford and the dealers and all the other middle-men gets on top of that and I wouldn't surprised to see a few hundred dollar bump in pricing for simple programming features.
I fully agree. Nothing is free and programming costs money.
What I was trying to say is that a lot of the programming is probably already there. It just needs to be activated.
 

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Everything on a vehicle has to be engineered, tested and approved. They aint no free stuff. Socialists have you buffaloed.
Socialists huh.. not sure what socialists have to do with it or why people are quick to label, divide, and hate. Especially using labels that don't make sense to blame or hate.

Too many politics in this forum.
 

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Absolutely agree.
I bought this truck for it's capability on and off road. I don't tow much above ~5k lbs or carry above 1k lbs, but by jove I'll likely be at those weights OFTEN. I'll be off roading it, not on crazy wheelin' trails, but I'm going to be using it to what it's built for - it's a bloody FX4 right

Ford built it to be a workhorse within it's envelope, I'm still convinced. The tough 10 speed and the diffs and the engine are all strong enough to live within the ratings for years of work. That's what I'll be doing, anyways.
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