Fuel in oil

[JasonTremor]

Ford isn't the only manufacturer being vague about documentation. GM does the same thing along with Toyota. I would suspect they paid out a lot on beyond warranty claims in the past by having detailed documentation. Amazing what a suponea for records will show. They, along with other manufacturers, probably consulted their legal teams or a consulting firm on the topic and were advised to be intentionally vague on documenting issues to avoid future liability. It's all about the dollar, not about having happy customers like they would have you believe.

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[Trustable]

I am not convinced this issue is being documented. I mention it every time I get an oil change and it never makes it on the service order. I called Ford Customer Service. They called the dealer, and they had no record of my complaints. Finally, Customer Service called back and said they wouldn't do anything about my problem. But they assured me that if my engine blew up under warranty, then they would repair it.

But what about after that?

EDIT: I should have added that neither the dealer or Ford would allow me to send them my Blackstone reports.

If it makes you feel any better, it is on both of mine, but all it says is "presence of gas in oil detected by owner is confirmed, bring back every 1k miles. I inquired about that 1k miles thing at the second dealership I went to, and it doesn't even guarantee anything besides collection of information, no fix or oil change mentioned. I saw that Toyota is releasing a GR Corolla hatch, that is looking very tempting in the meantime if carvana offers a good price for the ranger. Port and direct injection is nice, and the full time awd would be great. Still would eventually have to get something to haul/tow eventually, I would love if Toyota knocked it out of the park with the next gen 4 runner. Maybe I could afford 2 cars by the time it comes out, who knows...

 

[Wytchdctr]

Question.


Who isn't seeing their oil level rise?


I seem to be lucky that it is holding steady heading towards my second oil change.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

If it makes you feel any better, it is on both of mine, but all it says is "presence of gas in oil detected by owner is confirmed, bring back every 1k miles. I inquired about that 1k miles thing at the second dealership I went to, and it doesn't even guarantee anything besides collection of information, no fix or oil change mentioned. I saw that Toyota is releasing a GR Corolla hatch, that is looking very tempting in the meantime if carvana offers a good price for the ranger. Port and direct injection is nice, and the full time awd would be great. Still would eventually have to get something to haul/tow eventually, I would love if Toyota knocked it out of the park with the next gen 4 runner. Maybe I could afford 2 cars by the time it comes out, who knows...

Toyota GR 1.6L DI turbo engine has reported fuel dilution issues also. Just like every other DI turbo engine in current vehicles. It’s not just a Ford thing.

 

[Trustable]

Toyota GR 1.6L DI turbo engine has reported fuel dilution issues also. Just like every other DI turbo engine in current vehicles. It’s not just a Ford thing.

I understand that, but based on what ive seen on the gr yaris, it is significantly less than ford., The only thing I have seen proof of is oil consumption. And its also port fuel injection, not just DI. And all the vehicles my family has had that I have serviced, that have DI ecoboost engines, I have never seen this issue as well, I know some people think its just a side effect of all DI turbo engines, but I fundamentally disagree. I don’t want to throw of this thread though. But I tend to ramble when talking about this issue.

 

[Muffin1]

Question.


Who isn't seeing their oil level rise?


I seem to be lucky that it is holding steady heading towards my second oil change.

I am not seeing the oil level rise with about 2,200 miles on the current oil, i plan to do a change at 5,000 ( approx) using synthetic and send a sample to Blackstone just for curiosity.

 

[NotBudule]

I am not seeing the oil level rise with about 2,200 miles on the current oil, i plan to do a change at 5,000 ( approx) using synthetic and send a sample to Blackstone just for curiosity.

Curiosity killed the cat ? , I wouldn't measure it ,or smell it ,or send any off...just change it , then drive it , don't worry , be happy !!! (nothing to worry about , and even if there is ,nothing can be done about it )

 

[Dgc333]

Question.


Who isn't seeing their oil level rise?


I seem to be lucky that it is holding steady heading towards my second oil change.

I have had three vehicles with the 2.3 Ecoboost engine and none of them had an issue with gas in the oil.

I am coming up on 7500 miles and another oil change on my Ranger and the level is exactly where it was when I changed it.

 

[Muffin1]

Curiosity killed the cat ? , I wouldn't measure it ,or smell it ,or send any off...just change it , then drive it , don't worry , be happy !!! (nothing to worry about , and even if there is ,nothing can be done about it )

Appreciate the advice and good points, also could prove your point that there’s no issue..
and I was thinking about just seeing if the oil on the dipstick would flash up if I put a flame to it using a Scripto type BBQ flame igniter.

 

[WNCblueridge]

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[Kemo Sabe]

I understand why but some of you guys are really paranoid about warranty issues but it's just a catch can, it literally does nothing but catch oil. If it was put on wrong it would throw a code and even then it could not cause this issue. You also have to understand, this isn't like an insurance company looking for any reason to deny your claim. Dealers make money off warranty repairs so they'd have to have a very good reason to deny one and lose the work, like your truck looks like it just came back from running Baja or something...

The only time I ever had an issue was with a branded title (technically a totaled vehicle) due to hail damage which came up under the VIN. I thought I had a rear axle issue that in no way could be related to dents on the bodywork. I got the dealer to work with me on a reduced rate but it turned out to a simple loose wire.

One thing about it. If I’d known of the fuel in the oil problem before I bought a Dec, 2019 Ranger, I’d never have got rid of my perfect , one owner, 2000 Chevrolet Silverado.
I’m going to ride it out now. Not sniffing my oil , for it looks like a known, common problem with all, I’ve been told, Direct Injection engines.
Relying on my 100,000 mile Ford high dollar warranty!

 

[JustSteve]

Update on oil dilution.

At 31k miles, I sent an oil sample off to Blackstone. It had been only 3500 miles since last oil change. While there was "only" 2.5% dilution (which if changed at 10,000 miles it likely would have been over 7% dilution), the viscosity had degraded significantly.

I will be attempting to send this Blackstone report to Ford. I will also call around to find a dealer who is willing to do something, anything, even if that means to just document the issue.

Finally, I am going to contact the EPA to report some Ranger owners are changing the oil early to compensate for an issue that Ford is ignoring.

NOTE: if this issue doesn't affect your Ranger or you, don't feel obligated to comment about it being a non-issue and we should ignore it or drive longer distances or drive the truck harder.

 

[landiscarrier]

Question.


Who isn't seeing their oil level rise?


I seem to be lucky that it is holding steady heading towards my second oil change.

Me. I have 39k on my 19' Lariat with an Unleashed Tune and change the oil every 5k and no issues. But then again I'm not checking the oil and sniffing my dipstick every other day! haha!

Drive the truck and change the oil on a regular basis.

 

[Vitis805]

Update on oil dilution.

At 31k miles, I sent an oil sample off to Blackstone. It had been only 3500 miles since last oil change. While there was "only" 2.5% dilution (which if changed at 10,000 miles it likely would have been over 7% dilution), the viscosity had degraded significantly.

With all due respect, please post an image of this report for validity.

It's not that I don't believe you. I just like adding as many Blackstone reports to my database as I can. I have argued in my previous posts that regardless of fuel dilution this engine beats up oil and shears its viscosity quickly.

 

[jsphlynch]

Update on oil dilution.

At 31k miles, I sent an oil sample off to Blackstone. It had been only 3500 miles since last oil change. While there was "only" 2.5% dilution (which if changed at 10,000 miles it likely would have been over 7% dilution), the viscosity had degraded significantly.

I will be attempting to send this Blackstone report to Ford. I will also call around to find a dealer who is willing to do something, anything, even if that means to just document the issue.

Finally, I am going to contact the EPA to report some Ranger owners are changing the oil early to compensate for an issue that Ford is ignoring.

NOTE: if this issue doesn't affect your Ranger or you, don't feel obligated to comment about it being a non-issue and we should ignore it or drive longer distances or drive the truck harder.

Did you change the oil? Or just pull off a sample to send in?

I think it could be informative if someone could draw multiple samples between oil changes to see if 1) the fuel dilution continually increases with increased miles on the oil, 2) It hits some sort of equilibrium point, or 3) the fuel levels just fluctuate all over the place.

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