Fuel in oil

[N. J. Jim]

Don't know what happened with that post here is what I was trying to show and does the Mustang fuel pump work the same way?

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[OWSportninja]

Just an FYI on mine they finally agreed to replace the HPFP and told me to keep an eye on the oil level and to keep monitoring going forward. Hoping it fixes the issue for me im at 16k currently. Blackstone did tell me my wear metals looked good but to keep the intervals short on the oil becuase of the fuel dilution.

 

[Zaph]

Moderator, is it possible to add a poll to this thread? I see a lot of people getting oil samples tested at Blackstone and it might be nice to summarize. Or I could start a new thread for it. Maybe something like this:

Oil test results, % fuel in oil:
<0.5%
0.5-1.0%
1.0-2.0%
2.0-3.0%
3.0-5.0%
5.0-10.0%
>10%

I think those ranges might be a good span from great to horrible, and range from no problem to keep an eye on it next oil change to you better do something NOW. Maybe a comment: "initial test, prior to any fuel system repair"

If anyone is wondering, my fuel content is <0.5%. Also no antifreeze or water content. Same highish copper everyone has on a low mile engine. My viscosity was still a little on the low side after 5000 miles so I'm glad I changed the oil and didn't wait for the engine oil monitor to tell me when to change it. Looking at the results, a 10,000 mile oil change interval on this engine has got to be way too long. Might have been due to warm up idling in the winter.

 

[Ace Holliday]

Here we go. I check the contents of my catch can every other week or so. It has had a little oil in it most times I've checked. Yesterday was different. It was about half full of what looked and smelled like gasoline. So I checked the dip stick for the oil level. Sure enough it is over full indicating it is at the upper hole on the stick. And smelled like gasoline.
I am really bummed. I ordered a Blackstone Kit and will drain the oil and send off a sample. I think I know where this is going.
At least I will have the report in hand when I start the process at the dealership.
The truck is my only vehicle so I will continue to drive it hoping I am not tearing up bearings, etc.
My truck has 7,000 miles on it and has not been abused. Of course there have been several times I have done full pulls to 100+ mph but it has never been over rev'd.
I will update on this thread as we see how this unfolds. Needless to say I am not a happy camper.

 

[Brisko_Michigan]

Here we go. I check the contents of my catch can every other week or so. It has had a little oil in it most times I've checked. Yesterday was different. It was about half full of what looked and smelled like gasoline. So I checked the dip stick for the oil level. Sure enough it is over full indicating it is at the upper hole on the stick. And smelled like gasoline.
I am really bummed. I ordered a Blackstone Kit and will drain the oil and send off a sample. I think I know where this is going.
At least I will have the report in hand when I start the process at the dealership.
The truck is my only vehicle so I will continue to drive it hoping I am not tearing up bearings, etc.
My truck has 7,000 miles on it and has not been abused. Of course there have been several times I have done full pulls to 100+ mph but it has never been over rev'd.
I will update on this thread as we see how this unfolds. Needless to say I am not a happy camper.

Sorry to hear. Presuming your path toward repair is as rocky and unsupported as the rest of us, I recommend opening a case with Ford sooner than later. May help when the dealership engages and cannot get Ford to authorize a repair because there is no error code. The warranty team was more helpful; customer service needed to add your name to the list of folks who may one day receive out-of-warranty repair for this issue (doubtful but never know).

good luck.

warranty team - 1-800-321-7790
customer service- 1-866-631-3788

 

[Ace Holliday]

Sorry to hear. Presuming your path toward repair is as rocky and unsupported as the rest of us, I recommend opening a case with Ford sooner than later. May help when the dealership engages and cannot get Ford to authorize a repair because there is no error code. The warranty team was more helpful; customer service needed to add your name to the list of folks who may one day receive out-of-warranty repair for this issue (doubtful but never know).

good luck.

warranty team - 1-800-321-7790
customer service- 1-866-631-3788

Thanks Chris. I decided to start the process before I have the oil analyzed. I have an appointment tomorrow morning to have it "looked at". Thank you for the phone numbers. I bet I will be calling them tomorrow afternoon.
I don't have a lot of experience with this dealership. The last new Ford I owned was a 2010 Ford F150 Super Crew. It did have an exhaust manifold replaced under warranty and there were no issues. But it was obvious and made noise, but no trouble code.
They always brag in their advertising that they are the top rated Ford service dealership in California. Guess I will find out.
Stay tuned........

 

[N. J. Jim]

MotoWojo : How are things going with your truck. The dealer has had mine for a week now trying to figure this thing out.One good thing their not just throwing parts at it, really trying to get to the bottom of this thing. Suppose to here something today, not to optimistic tho will keep you posted.

 

[MotoWojo]

MotoWojo : How are things going with your truck. The dealer has had mine for a week now trying to figure this thing out.One good thing their not just throwing parts at it, really trying to get to the bottom of this thing. Suppose to here something today, not to optimistic tho will keep you posted.

Not much happening, as they won't do anything further until I get to 5000 miles on this oil change, as they want a comparative test sample at that mileage, as if 12% at 500 miles wasn't enough? I have either 4400 miles or 3300 miles left to go, because the service writer is insisting they changed the oil the last time they had the truck for a week and did nothing. They did not change the oil. My oil level is above the middle of the twist now, so probably a quart of gas in the crankcase. As it gets colder, it is going up at a faster rate. I've contacted every number I could find at Ford, but I keep getting the same response, that I have to do what the Field Service Engineer directs.

 

[Buckeye2782]

I second the new poll suggestion. I am watching my oil as well. After 5k miles it came back with 2.5% fuel dilution. Does smell of fuel and visually I can see a difference in the oil consistency. My truck doesn't seem to be "making oil" too much as the level did stay consistent over that 5k but I was watching it.

 

[N. J. Jim]

Not much happening, as they won't do anything further until I get to 5000 miles on this oil change, as they want a comparative test sample at that mileage, as if 12% at 500 miles wasn't enough? I have either 4400 miles or 3300 miles left to go, because the service writer is insisting they changed the oil the last time they had the truck for a week and did nothing. They did not change the oil. My oil level is above the middle of the twist now, so probably a quart of gas in the crankcase. As it gets colder, it is going up at a faster rate. I've contacted every number I could find at Ford, but I keep getting the same response, that I have to do what the Field Service Engineer directs.

Looks like the Ford jerking around has started for me. They were trying to tell me the oil level rise is the result of short trips, at which time I lost my patience, but in the dealers defense he was just relaying to me what the hot line told them. I have opened up a case with Ford, I will give them some time to come up with a fix, if no fix I will be contacting my local TV station consumer complaint hot line.A terrible way to back your product. I am very disappointed with Ford !!

 

[shred5]

Looks like the Ford jerking around has started for me. They were trying to tell me the oil level rise is the result of short trips, at which time I lost my patience, but in the dealers defense he was just relaying to me what the hot line told them. I have opened up a case with Ford, I will give them some time to come up with a fix, if no fix I will be contacting my local TV station consumer complaint hot line.A terrible way to back your product. I am very disappointed with Ford !!

That is sad, so Fords trucks are only made for long trips. Seriously might be time to feed this info to the Truck news sites. Stinks but sometimes it is the only way to get them to wake up.

 

[MotoWojo]

Looks like the Ford jerking around has started for me. They were trying to tell me the oil level rise is the result of short trips, at which time I lost my patience, but in the dealers defense he was just relaying to me what the hot line told them. I have opened up a case with Ford, I will give them some time to come up with a fix, if no fix I will be contacting my local TV station consumer complaint hot line.A terrible way to back your product. I am very disappointed with Ford !!

It sounds like they are giving you the run around. Initially I was told the same thing about short trips, and I told them I never take short trips, I live 12 miles from the nearest town, 20+ miles from the dealership, and 25 miles from where I work. Heck, I have never used the auto start stop feature. Then they questioned that I was using poor gasoline and I told them every tank full has been top tier and from the same chain of stations (Kwik-Trip). Then they questioned if I remote started the vehicle often, no I have a heated garage, but on rare occasions, when it's really cold, I will remote start it and warm it up at the end of my work day, before leaving for home.

It sounds like you have a case# now, I would recommend keeping good service records of your dealer visits. I missed the Lemon Law requirements for Wisconsin, which require 4 service attempts in the first year, but I would check the Lemon Law requirements in your state, they may be better. From what I gather from the Field Engineers emails, it seems Ford is aware that there is an issue with some of the Rangers, but either they don't have a plan to deal with it yet, or they don't care.

 

[N. J. Jim]

It sounds like they are giving you the run around. Initially I was told the same thing about short trips, and I told them I never take short trips, I live 12 miles from the nearest town, 20+ miles from the dealership, and 25 miles from where I work. Heck, I have never used the auto start stop feature. Then they questioned that I was using poor gasoline and I told them every tank full has been top tier and from the same chain of stations (Kwik-Trip). Then they questioned if I remote started the vehicle often, no I have a heated garage, but on rare occasions, when it's really cold, I will remote start it and warm it up at the end of my work day, before leaving for home.

It sounds like you have a case# now, I would recommend keeping good service records of your dealer visits. I missed the Lemon Law requirements for Wisconsin, which require 4 service attempts in the first year, but I would check the Lemon Law requirements in your state, they may be better. From what I gather from the Field Engineers emails, it seems Ford is aware that there is an issue with some of the Rangers, but either they don't have a plan to deal with it yet, or they don't care.

This is sad a big company that has been around as long as Ford treating their customers like this. The word will get out on these shameless practices exhibited by Ford!

 

[Langwilliams]

IMO if the HPFP an new injectors don't fix the problem they should swap a new motor in. Period.

 

[Ace Holliday]

Update:
Service writer does not think oil level rising almost to the hole in the dip stick is an issue in light of not getting a warning light on the dash for a misfire. SMDH. He wants me to monitor it for two weeks. And monitor the contents of the catch can. Told him it was about a third full of what looked and smelled like fuel.
He wants me to test what is in the catch can for flammability. Sounds crazy but makes sense. If it ignites with a match I am to bring the truck in. (Edit: Yes, I will empty the contents into something else and ignite it safely)
In the meantime I will mail off the Blackstone test Monday morning.
I guess it could have gone worse. But I did make sure the visit was documented and that I was concerned with damaging the engine internals.
I have to take a 110 mile road trip tomorrow and will check the oil level and catch can contents when I get home.

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