Help me decide…Livernois or 5 Star tune?

[landiscarrier]

I loaded up the Unleashed tune last night. I drove to dinner, got gas, and drove home about 30 miles. Running the 87 octane tune, MPG increased by a couple according to the computer's instantaneous calculations for that 30 miles. Shifting seemed a bit rougher, but I e-mailed Torrie and he confirmed my suspicions that the computer just needs to relearn with the new tune. The butt dyno is grinning from ear to ear! There is way more power on tap. It reminded me of when I smash the accelerator on the Explorer ST! I can't wait to load up the 93+ tune with a full tank and some octane booster! The K+N 63 intake is going on soon to give it a bit more air. I'll probably throw in the Denso Iridium 1 step colder plugs I have, and am looking at charge pipe and exhaust options, then will contact Torrie for updated tunes. I'm happy so far!

IMO…Torrie is the best Ecoboost tuner. Safe usable power!

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[OFC Ranger]

I've had zero issues with my 93 tune from 5-Star.

 

[theanswer3]

Well, I was going to go for the Ford Performance tune, but it seems like they’re leaving a ton of power on the table. In researching, it seems like either Livernois or 5 Star is the way to go. I originally wanted the warranty that comes with the Ford Performance tune, but seeing as I log at least 20,000 miles a year, the warranty isn’t going to last long anyway. I just can’t decide which one to go with.

Livernois claims 80 hp / 100 tq with their 93 performance tune. 5 Star isn’t quite as high, but I like the fact that they offer revisions once I add an exhaust, downpipe, or intercooler. Any other benefits of one vs. the other? I’m looking for best MPG on an 87 tune and max performance on a 93 or 94 tune. I also tow occassionally. I’m going to be setting tunes based upon need.

Livernois is the lowest overall hp and torque gains of all the aftermarket tunes. Those numbers yhey claim also include going form 87 to 93 octane. There is a thread o. Here comparing all the tunes from someone one who tried each one.

 

[sal33n]

I vote against Livernois, not because I know anything about tunes or their company, but because that name makes me uncomfortable. What noise is my liver making and why? Maybe the price I am paying for my occasional weekend drunk nights?

The word is French and the S is silent. "liver-noy"

 

[sal33n]

Livernois is the lowest overall hp and torque gains of all the aftermarket tunes. Those numbers yhey claim also include going form 87 to 93 octane. There is a thread o. Here comparing all the tunes from someone one who tried each one.

Lower than the FP tune? I would like to see that thread. Can't find it so far.

 

[thellamafarm]

Not sure about the FP tune but I did ask Unleashed when I had my 15 Mustang was it possible to run 87 in a pinch with a 93 octane tune. He told me that the ECU only has so much range that it can adjust the timing and the tune pushes that range up to take advantage of the expected higher octane so it no longer has the ability to adjust the timing for the lower octane. He didn't recommend doing it but if you drive conservatively it likely would be OK.

FWIW, my 68 Barracuda has 10.5:1 compression and has no knock sensors or ability to adjust timing on the fly. I tuned it to run on 93. I tried 89 in it so see how it would react and it was fine. I then tried 87 and it rattled like a coffee can with marbles in it.

you have answered a question I've had for a while now. thanks.

 

[Augie81]

The word is French and the S is silent. "liver-noy"

I'm aware of that. But thanks anyway.

 

[Langwilliams]

I flashed my truck back to stock yesterday. Today I took it to the dealership for the recall seatbelt inspection. I flashed it in case they hooked it up to update any software. I could tell the difference big time with the stock tune vs the Livernois 87-89 tune.

 

[Frenchy]

I flashed my truck back to stock yesterday. Today I took it to the dealership for the recall seatbelt inspection. I flashed it in case they hooked it up to update any software. I could tell the difference big time with the stock tune vs the Livernois 87-89 tune.

Yeah so unless the recal calls for a software update the dealer cant just reprogram things. Also the srs would not be affected by the tune. Reprogramming the SRS would also not affect the PCM.

 

[Langwilliams]

Yeah so unless the recal calls for a software update the dealer cant just reprogram things. Also the srs would not be affected by the tune. Reprogramming the SRS would also not affect the PCM.

I've read there are updates that come out that aren't part of recalls, on going improvements to complaints an stuff an to always flash you truck back before taking it in. It's more of a safety measure. If an aftermarket tune is in an they flash an update it reeks havoc. The last time my truck saw a dealership was the day I bought it in Dec 2019 so there was a lot of time for updates to come out. It was in the bay for at least 45 minutes for the seatbelt inspection so who knows.

 

[Frenchy]

I've read there are updates that come out that aren't part of recalls an to always flash you truck back before taking it in. It's more of a safety measure. If an aftermarket tune is in an they flash an update it reeks havoc. The last time my truck saw a dealership was the day I bought it in Dec 2019 so there was a lot of time for updates to come out. It was in the bay for at least 45 minutes for the seatbelt inspection so who knows.

After reprogramming with fdrs and I can tell you right now it takes a lot longer then 45 minutes to program all sorts of things. Even just one module will take at least an hour to reprogram.
How do I know? I did it myself when I was still working at the dealers

 

[Dgc333]

...... dealer cant just reprogram things.

That's not true. The battery in my wife's Dodge took a dump. Since AGM batteries are expensive and the car was still under the bumper to bumper coverage I had the dealer come and get it.

The next day when I went to pick it up the work order said they programmed an update into the PCM. When I asked the service writer about it he didn't know what it was for. He said it was not unusual when they run the vin for service work for a software update notice to pop up with instructions to install it which they do.

If you have a tune other than the FP tune it is best to revert back to stock or get one of the OBD port caps that clamps over the port so they can't access it.

 

[Frenchy]

That's not true. The battery in my wife's Dodge took a dump. Since AGM batteries are expensive and the car was still under the bumper to bumper coverage I had the dealer come and get it.

The next day when I went to pick it up the work order said they programmed an update into the PCM. When I asked the service writer about it he didn't know what it was for. He said it was not unusual when they run the vin for service work for a software update notice to pop up with instructions to install it which they do.

If you have a tune other than the FP tune it is best to revert back to stock or get one of the OBD port caps that clamps over the port so they can't access it.

If the dealer does not mention before doing such(even when under warranty) you get to have fun reaming them a new one. The dealer is supposed to inform you every time of any repairs and updates before doing no matter what.

 

[Dgc333]

If the dealer does not mention before doing such(even when under warranty) you get to have fun reaming them a new one. The dealer is supposed to inform you every time of any repairs and updates before doing no matter what.

That may be your opinion but I would expect very few service managers would agree with you if it is a factory mandated update and there is no charge to the customer. Now if you had informed them not to do any software updates and they went ahead anyway that is another story.

 

[Frenchy]

That may be your opinion but I would expect very few service managers would agree with you if it is a factory mandated update and there is no charge to the customer. Now if you had informed them not to do any software updates and they went ahead anyway that is another story.

Except it is federal law. I can't remember the name of said law but it is designed to protect the consumer for unauthorized work.

Therefore not an opinion

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