More cost cutting, or just stupid design? (Bed Drainage idiocy)

[D Fresh]

Yeah... a lot behind the scenes... like improper programming of robots that place and weld body panels incorrectly. Or, the assembly worker that wadded up his candy wrapper and stuffed it into my part bracket... or, the assembly worker that passed my front wheel alignment with crash bar interference... yeah, mass production technique is good for Ford but why do most other manufacturers get it right? Many of the issues that many of us have had to accept with our ~$50k trucks are not present when the same vehicles are manufactured in Asia. The perception of quality is in the eye of the beholder. I think Michigan puts out a crappy product to the NA market because they think they can get away with it. I love the design of my truck but Ford has allowed sub par assembly in their Michigan plant. Then they blame their failures on "mass production". I strongly disagree! Mass production technique is used in the Asian plants. Why is their process so superior?

Yeah... a lot behind the scenes... general disrespect for this NA market customer, Ford investor demand and greed, unionized workers that feel entitled... a lack of effective QA... NA customers that accept poor treatment while paying premiums that aren't commensurate with this product and included services. Don't even get me started on the warranty process... Wow! ?

I'll give you the union part.

But did you ever think that many of your problems can be blamed on when your truck was built?

I'm as sick of the pandemic excuse as the next guy, but most of these silly problems and so called decontenting happened in '21s and on.

The only thing that really concerns me about my truck is it's Oct '20 build date.

After seeing the way companies have performed over the last year you couldn't pay me to buy a '21 or '22 vehicle.

And if you paid $50k for a Ranger, you're a sucker.

To those concerned about cost cutting…

In the face in one of the largest supply chain disruptions in modern history, would you rather:

1) see the MSRP on newer models increase to reflect the actual costs of sourcing all of the original features, and watch delivery times slip to years for fully “featured” vehicles, or
2) see MSRP increases similar to traditional jumps (I.e inflation) and have a few peripheral features removed in order to deliver in an admittedly longer timeline, but still within 6 mo of order?

To slightly misquote a business book I read, “ No position is valid until is it posed as a choice.” They were talking about strategy, but I think it holds.

I've been saying since I've been here that the majority of the so-called cost cutting cuts were probably more-so supply chain related.

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[OFC Ranger]

its sad now....wings are running about $12 a pound locally......

back then, at $0.10 each that would be a platter of 120 wings for that price.

This. So much this.

Most people don't know that "hot wings" came about because they use to be the part of the chicken no one gave a shit about. Some guy in some place decided back in the day to start selling these parts super cheap as a snack. There are a couple versions of this history floating around, but they all basically come down to the same origins idea.

Wings are one of my favorite staple foods. Well not so much anymore.

 

[D Fresh]

I traded a '17 AWD Edge Titanium with sunroof and all the bells and whistles... very low miles with not a scratch on it... perfect mechanically and much better seats and technology.

Yes, I guess I am a sucker... after realizing the dealer wanted my trade for a low ball amount and wanted to charge me MSRP for the new truck (in transit from Ford). After promising that if there were ANY problems with the new truck that they would make any repairs and "make it right". After being directly lied to about many believable things and actually believing... I guess I am a sucker.

By the way...

Sticker Prics: $47,515
Sale Price: $47,507.88
Sales Tax: $2,306.00
Excise Tax:
Document Fee: $150.00
Trade: $6,960.00
Rebate Incentive: $1,000.00
Total Financed: $42,805.88
Total Cash Price: $50,765.88

Your own experience says it's when the truck was built. Not who built it.


Perhaps try a different dealership.
They hosed you on the sale, they probably feel as though they can hose you with impunity on the service.

 

[Danager]

Sounds like he's sayin his shaft is always at least warm, but not to the extent that he has a hot shaft, but not too hot.
And we all know that a warm or hot shaft is always better than a cold shaft.

Yeah, just ask that Finnish skier. ??

 

[D Fresh]

The new dealership idea is a good one... tried going to two other local dealerships. They both said since they didn't sell the truck, they won't fix it... Even Ford CS told me I needed to work out all warranty items through the original dealer. So much for having a warranty...

That is absolutely incorrect.

My past 3 Ford's have been purchased at 2 different dealerships than the one I use for service. Warranty as well.

That's not the way it works. Or has ever worked.



You must be a troll.

 

[Motorpsychology]

You guys seem to be missing my main point. I’m not entirely annoyed about the ice existing. That’s par for the course and is part of life. I’ve certainly driven many vehicles with huge chunks of ice hanging off them over the years.

I’m annoyed that Ford didn’t take even a moments thought to consider that the ice forming from drainage on the shaft would happen. That is basic mechanical design engineering 101 level stuff. Let the ice form, but keep it from growing on or near moving parts.

It makes a person stop and wonder what other dumb design may have been built into the vehicle.

We don't know that they didn't. I would think that if this was a problem, even infrequent, it would have manifested itself during winter testing in Europe and New Zeland during 5G's development. None on the forum have complained about excessive driveline vibration that was caused by debris on the drive shaft.
You could try caulking the center drain slot to prevent water dripping down and freezing.

 

[Motorpsychology]

The engineer who supervised the Ford bed drainage so ice would form on the driveshaft...
This was his previous project.....

Got a pic of the rear of the tractor? I wanna see if there's ice on the driveshafts

 

[jsphlynch]

That is absolutely incorrect.

My past 3 Ford's have been purchased at 2 different dealerships than the one I use for service. Warranty as well.

That's not the way it works. Or has ever worked.



You must be a troll.

To be fair, while in principle you should be able to get warranty work done at any dealership, I've heard that dealerships are really resentful of doing warranty work on vehicles they didn't sell and will try to weasel out of it. They'd probably be extra resentful if they had someone who was trying to warranty really stupid and nitpicky stuff that Ford would never approve.

If anyone has a legitimate warranty-covered repair that needs done and a Ford Authorized Dealer is trying to say that you have to go to the selling dealer to get service done, call Ford Customer Service with the complaint. Things will get resolved real quick.

 

[D Fresh]

To be fair, while in principle you should be able to get warranty work done at any dealership, I've heard that dealerships are really resentful of doing warranty work on vehicles they didn't sell and will try to weasel out of it. They'd probably be extra resentful if they had someone who was trying to warranty really stupid and nitpicky stuff that Ford would never approve.

If anyone has a legitimate warranty-covered repair that needs done and a Ford Authorized Dealer is trying to say that you have to go to the selling dealer to get service done, call Ford Customer Service with the complaint. Things will get resolved real quick.

Could happen. But why would a business that is trying to make money turn down an opportunity to do so in their most profitable division? I'd think a reasonable person wouldn't have an issue getting work done.

My wife's CX-5 got warranty rear diff work done with a loaner for a week after the dealership we bought it at failed to diagnose and fix it.

The one caveat I can think of is that we live in a large Metro area. I have at least 15 Ford dealerships within an hour from me. And 6 or 7 Mazda dealerships.

The shenanigans you describe may be a smaller town dealership loyalty thing.

I called the dude a troll because he said he contacted Ford and they said he had to go where he bought it. That's outright bullshit.

 

[dtech]

id

Years ago, college friends of mine used to head to Niagara Falls, NY for buck-a-beer and 10-cent wing night. Duff’s, IIRC ?

There was/is a Duff's on Sheridan blvd near Niagra Falls Blvd, great wings, my group liked Brennan's Bowery Bar over on main and transit, after playing basketball we'd swill draft beer and devour dozens of wings and of course being young and stupid get separate containers of hot sauce to further abuse our insides.

 

[Grumpaw]

You are an ignorant fool and very wrong. It really pisses me off when an a hole spouts crap from their pie hole and doesn't have a clue about the facts. Ford doesn't reimburse warranty work at retail per dealership agreements.. They don't pay the dealerships enough... get it??? You owe me an apology DUDE... disrespectful POS!

I have only stated the facts...

Believe what you want...

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

I feel a bit ”sheepish” because it seems this has taken a real “leftcoast” tack.

 

[Grumpaw]

I feel a bit ”sheepish” because it seems this has taken a real “leftcoast” tack.

 

[D Fresh]

What'd I miss?

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

I was thinking more like this.

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