Fuel in oil

[N. J. Jim]

Don't want to srart an argument. And I don’t think anyone believes the issue doesn't exist. Yes, fuel delusion is a known issue with all direct injection engines, maybe worse with turbos. Doesn't matter who makes them. What is NOT known is exactly how bad is bad. Does anyone have any hard data on how many engines have died because of it, and how much fuel delusion the had. I believe many of the worst cases on here were eventually tied to bad injectors or HPFP issues. It also seems the the problem, if it is one, gets better once the engine is broken in and the rings properly seated. Its also been proven that that short trips exasperate the problem, winter temps and idling don’t help either. Has anyone looked at how must fuel 2% delution is in 6.2 quarts? Approximately 1.6 onces or 3 tablespoons. Hardly enogh to raise the oil level. And we are worried about 2.8%? I know some peoples is much higher, and they do have an issue. Lets not lump everyone with 3% delution together with the people who have a real issue.

This has become a panic thread and has people checking their oil level daily and making lots of money for Blackstone. We need facts, not a lot of peoples assumptions based on anecdotal experience from history.

JMHO

I drained 36 extra ozs. out of my truck the last time I changed my oil I carefully measured the amount. I change my own oil so I know exactly how much I put in, ! If you can't take the majority of short trips then that should be stated in your manual! I had 26,350 on the truck!

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[FasterGT350]

Don't want to srart an argument. And I don’t think anyone believes the issue doesn't exist. Yes, fuel delusion is a known issue with all direct injection engines, maybe worse with turbos. Doesn't matter who makes them. What is NOT known is exactly how bad is bad. Does anyone have any hard data on how many engines have died because of it, and how much fuel delusion the had. I believe many of the worst cases on here were eventually tied to bad injectors or HPFP issues. It also seems the the problem, if it is one, gets better once the engine is broken in and the rings properly seated. Its also been proven that that short trips exasperate the problem, winter temps and idling don’t help either. Has anyone looked at how must fuel 2% delution is in 6.2 quarts? Approximately 1.6 onces or 3 tablespoons. Hardly enogh to raise the oil level. And we are worried about 2.8%? I know some peoples is much higher, and they do have an issue. Lets not lump everyone with 3% delution together with the people who have a real issue.

This has become a panic thread and has people checking their oil level daily and making lots of money for Blackstone. We need facts, not a lot of peoples assumptions based on anecdotal experience from history.

JMHO

Best explanation---watch the video on direct injection in the (News Section) it is helpful.

 

[Samsquanch]

I drained 36 extra ozs. out of my truck the last time I changed my oil I carefully measured the amount. I change my own oil so I know exactly how much I put in, ! If you can't take the majority of short trips then that should be stated in your manual! I had 26,350 on the truck!

Jim it seems pretty clear that the issue you had is totally different than what the vast majority of people here. Other than maybe one other person who had the injector problems no one else is riding around with a quart of fuel in their oil.

Did you show a fuel analysis to the folks at Ford? Seems very hard to believe that they wouldn’t do anything about a quart of fuel in your crank case.

 

[Langwilliams]

I drained 36 extra ozs.

I would say you are experiencing levels Ford should be looking into replacing the engine. We know that they won't.

I think the 2% standard is possibly an old standard or not realistic for turbo direct injected engines.

If my oil tested under 5% I wouldn't worry about it, I'd just do 5K or less mile oil changes. If I pulled an extra quart out like 2 or 3 people in here have had to deal with I'd be dumping the truck an moving on if I could.

 

[N. J. Jim]

Jim it seems pretty clear that the issue you had is totally different than what the vast majority of people here. Other than maybe one other person who had the injector problems no one else is riding around with a quart of fuel in their oil.

Did you show a fuel analysis to the folks at Ford? Seems very hard to believe that they wouldn’t do anything about a quart of fuel in your crank case.

They didn't care about an analysis they didn't recognize it. I made four trips to the dealer for this issue and they considered it fixed, I had an open case with Ford didn't make any difference!

 

[N. J. Jim]

I would say you are experiencing levels Ford should be looking into replacing the engine. We know that they won't.

I think the 2% standard is possibly an old standard or not realistic for turbo direct injected engines.

If my oil tested under 5% I wouldn't worry about it, I'd just do 5K or less mile oil changes. If I pulled an extra quart out like 2 or 3 people in here have had to deal with I'd be dumping the truck an moving on if I could.

Your 100% right I would not have worried about 5% but with an extra 36 ozs I was way above 5% ! I did end up dumping the truck which I really didn't want to do but didn't want to fight with Ford. I really liked the truck I had no other problems with the truck! Just a damn shame to be treated like that as a customer!

 

[Big Blue]

I drained 36 extra ozs. out of my truck the last time I changed my oil I carefully measured the amount. I change my own oil so I know exactly how much I put in, ! If you can't take the majority of short trips then that should be stated in your manual! I had 26,350 on the truck!

Your truck obviously has something else going on beyond normal fuel delution. I cannot believe that was all fuel. You need to have an analysis to see what it is. Ford needs to take your case seriously.

 

[Trigganometry]

I drained 36 extra ozs. out of my truck the last time I changed my oil I carefully measured the amount. I change my own oil so I know exactly how much I put in, ! If you can't take the majority of short trips then that should be stated in your manual! I had 26,350 on the truck!

What I have not heard you say is if you have sent out a sample of oil for analysis. If not then it’s conjecture or armchair opinion by observation. Being an engineer myself that doesn’t hold a lot of weight in your argument or what you think.

Personally I do have the reports to back up what I think. As just mentioned, haven’t heard of a blown motor yet or the issue not correcting itself once break in is finalized (set the rings) I’m going into my 3rd pile change and my level is always around the top hole or up to the twist. My reports say 1st on <.5 and 2nd <1%. I did set my rings at about 4.5K miles. I’m at about 16.5K miles now.

 

[JasonTremor]

I recovered 6.75 quarts from mine at 1960 miles and have sent the sample off to see what percentage dilution that is. Simple math tells me 8% assuming a 6.2 quart OE fill, but I'll see what the chemists test tell me.

 

[Big Blue]

Best explanation---watch the video on direct injection in the (News Section) it is helpful.

I agree it is a nice video explaining what direct injection is and some of the issues with it. I think calling them problems is a bit of an overstatement. Like most video of its kind it states the issues but does does not go into what the automakers have gone to to correct those issues. It also gives no data as to when these issues come to be problem.

If direct injection is so problem ridden, why are all automakers building so many of them?

 

[Stevedbvik1]

I agree it is a nice video explaining what direct injection is and some of the issues with it. I think calling them problems is a bit of an overstatement. Like most video of its kind it states the issues but does does not go into what the automakers have gone to to correct those issues. It also gives no data as to when these issues come to be problem.

If direct injection is so problem ridden, why are all automakers building so many of them?

EPA and mileage (which is also EPA)

 

[N. J. Jim]

Your truck obviously has something else going on beyond normal fuel delution. I cannot believe that was all fuel. You need to have an analysis to see what it is. Ford needs to take your case seriously.

The truck is gone let the next guy worry about it! When I drained the oil almost like I was refueling my bike that's how strong the smell was!

 

[Big Blue]

The truck is gone let the next guy worry about it! When I drained the oil almost like I was refueling my bike that's how strong the smell was!

Well you solved your problem, what are you still here for? Didn’t do much for anyone else who has the problem. Shame your dealer and Ford treated you like they did. Seems all to common these days.

 

[N. J. Jim]

Well you solved your problem, what are you still here for? Didn’t do much for anyone else who has the problem. Shame your dealer and Ford treated you like they did. Seems all to common these days.

Just trying to see if Ford ever does the right thing and takes care of it's customers. And probably still doing some venting. The whole thing really pissed me off!

 

[Trustable]

Just got home with the truck. They wouldn't even give me the paperwork for the issue because they are still waiting on headrests for a recall. Oil is dead set at the proper line, but it also wasn't driven more than a mile(compared mileage before and after), and it only fills when driving from what I've seen. I inquired about me having to pay for an oil change when its because of a warranty issue, they said its Ford's policy's for fluid changes during warranty work. He also said if they had to change it again due to this I would pay again. Regardless ford customer service will be getting a call with my questions so I can ask questions/escalate/document my issues a second time just in case.

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