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Has anyone experienced any adverse effects from this? I mean, have any failures or check lights or error codes or anything happened as result of the fuel in the oil?
I would highly doubt any problems have manifested yet. Fuel diluting the oil causes excessive engine wear which is progressive and damaging over time. I suspect that well this may not cause an error code/engine light, the problem may be identifiable through advanced diagnostics.
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Wondering if the gentleman in League City that threw a rod had this problem? Could it be related?
 

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Has anyone experienced any adverse effects from this? I mean, have any failures or check lights or error codes or anything happened as result of the fuel in the oil?
Someone over in one of the Facebook groups claimed they had the catalytic converter go bad and replaced from this issue. It makes sense and could be the cause of worsening fuel mileage? Also, on the Facebook groups, I have seen 3 trucks that had the engine replaced, though the exact cause wasn't stated. I believe they were posted by a Ford mechanic and showed the truck up on a hoist with the engine on the ground as I guess that is the easiest approach for replacing the engine. i believe he claimed the issue for one of them was an "extended" oil change interval. Who knows, but there's no way the engine will last as long as it normally would, if it has substantial fuel dilution.
 

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Has anyone experienced any adverse effects from this? I mean, have any failures or check lights or error codes or anything happened as result of the fuel in the oil?
Two things are at issue here.
1. Raised crankcase oil level causes air infiltration in the oil the end result poor lubrication to bearings and loss of horsepower resulting in lower mpg.
2. Reduced viscosity making oil out of spec per Fords requirement.
IMO Just a matter of time before the mechanical issues start.
 


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With your experiment of staying out of boost you definitely have a plumbing leak. If your oil is rising that fast and your PCV is working well, the rising oil level is only showing a little of the leakage as most of it will be burning off, as is shown by your low mpg. Having a way to monitor fuel pressure bleed off overnight would be a helpful tool to determine if this happening when both hot and cold. Is it a running or resting occurrence ?
Unlocking or opening the doors charges the fuel rail so tests could be done both hot and cold, timing the psi drop in the system.
MotoWojo lives in Wisconsin. A significant drop in MPG during a Wisconsin winter is common. I experience the same decrease in my Ranger and Fusion here in Minnesota.
 

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MotoWojo lives in Wisconsin. A significant drop in MPG during a Wisconsin winter is common. I experience the same decrease in my Ranger and Fusion here in Minnesota.
I experience at least a 2MPG drop with the winter blend. I've experienced this with a number of different vehicles! Winter blend sucks!!
 

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MotoWojo lives in Wisconsin. A significant drop in MPG during a Wisconsin winter is common. I experience the same decrease in my Ranger and Fusion here in Minnesota.
This is the second winter I have had my truck as I bought it new on April 3rd. 2019. My worst tank, mpg wise, thru the first ~18,000 miles was 19.4 mpg (hand calculated). My best tank was 23.9 mpg during the summer of 2019 and I mostly averaged between 22-23 in the summer and that went down a couple in winter. In the last 5,000+ miles, my best tank was 18.1 mpg with most tanks between 16.0-17.5 mpg. My commute to work is exactly the same and I set my cruise at the same speed I have since I bought it new. So, I am seeing an additional 2-3mpg loss even taking winter into account. My 50 mile round trip commute, 5 days a week, is ~90+% interstate. I would guess that over the life of my truck, 90+% highway, less than 10% local. I do occasionally pull a trailer, but it is just my dirt bikes and is very light (Kendon Dual Stand Up).
 
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So, I am seeing an additional 2-3mpg loss even taking winter into account.
Colder temps? It's a lot colder here this winter than last. I think the mpg's drop with the temps an the remote starts go up.
 

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I just dropped the truck off for the 10th time due to this issue. Got a pretty "used" Explorer, which is alright, as a loaner. I was told the field service engineer will be at the dealership to personally look at the truck tomorrow. That sounds like progress?
 

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Colder temps? It's a lot colder here this winter than last. I think the mpg's drop with the temps an the remote starts go up.
C'mon now, September, October, November, December, were all warmer than usual and I was seeing significant mpg loss during those months. Granted, the past couple weeks have been brutal, but my mpg issue really became apparent back in September. Fuel in oil issue started back in March of 2019. Also, for what it's worth, my truck lives in a heated garage (I keep it at 55 degrees) when I am at home. I believe I have used the remote start a total of 4 times since my truck was new and 2 of those times were in the past week.
 
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I get about a 2 mpg drop minimum with winter fuel an "normal" winter temps (30's)....when it gets into the 20's an below it's more like 4 mpg. throw some snow covered roads an 4x4 in an that's another hit.

I hope this gets solved for everyone....I'm afraid Ford knows what's going on but figures it cheaper to give an extended warranty that might not ever get used to people than buy back the problem motors or trucks.
 

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I get about a 2 mpg drop minimum with winter fuel an "normal" winter temps (30's)....when it gets into the 20's an below it's more like 4 mpg. throw some snow covered roads an 4x4 in an that's another hit.

I hope this gets solved for everyone....I'm afraid Ford knows what's going on but figures it cheaper to give an extended warranty that might not ever get used to people than buy back the problem motors or trucks.
I think you are mostly right. Ford surely understands what is going on for us Ranger owners that are seeing moderate oil dilution, like me, where the last two Blackstone reports showed 3.8% and 3.3%. But I don't know if they know what the exact problem is with the more extreme/isolated cases like MotWojo's Ranger. I sure hope the field engineer examination of his Ranger results in a solution for him.

For the more common cases like mine they tell me it is the short trips and I tend to believe that since my own driving experience with short vs long trips seems to confirm that.

Ford knows what is happening during the short trips that causes this and they have known about this problem since the early days of the EcoBoost. I suspect this problem has to be a factor in the dual injection systems (port and direct) that have been introduced for the V6 EcoBoosts. There may be something that could be tweaked with the fuel management to lessen the oil dilution problem but I suspect that would introduce driveability issues or impact the power produced by this incredible motor. Of course, this is all speculation on my part.
 

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This is the second winter I have had my truck as I bought it new on April 3rd. 2019. My worst tank, mpg wise, thru the first ~18,000 miles was 19.4 mpg (hand calculated). My best tank was 23.9 mpg during the summer of 2019 and I mostly averaged between 22-23 in the summer and that went down a couple in winter. In the last 5,000+ miles, my best tank was 18.1 mpg with most tanks between 16.0-17.5 mpg. My commute to work is exactly the same and I set my cruise at the same speed I have since I bought it new. So, I am seeing an additional 2-3mpg loss even taking winter into account. My 50 mile round trip commute, 5 days a week, is ~90+% interstate. I would guess that over the life of my truck, 90+% highway, less than 10% local. I do occasionally pull a trailer, but it is just my dirt bikes and is very light (Kendon Dual Stand Up).
Whipping that crank through oil will rob horsepower and milage
 

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they tell me it is the short trips
I'm sorry to keep reading that this is still unresolved.

I still don't understand how Ford can believe this is a legitimate explanation. Are we supposed to get separate "short range" and "long range" vehicles?

There are no vehicles that I know of, where a company claims this limitation, especially as an excuse to cover customer complaints and (potentially) poor engineering.

But, if the ranger is indeed that, then they should market it as long-range only ... and they'll get as many sales as they deserve :D

Next thing we know: "This vehicle should only be used for 16.1-24.3 mile trips. " ?
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