If I had a NOCO charger I'd be tempted to open it up and compare it to my Chinese brand, wouldn't be at all surprised if both are very similar, possibly identical . This is what happens when there is a rush to off shore mfg and certain countries have a well documented history of not abiding by patent laws. When I was looking at buying a modern battery charger there were dozens of options to choose from but nearly all mfg in China.
It goes into desulfate mode automatically and will stay in it after the battery is fully charged. It tests the battery state before doing anything, and when it begins charging it will also enter desulfate mode. IOW, if it is charging it is going to be desulfating. After completion of charging it will enter float mode and still be desulfating.
I have the Noco Genius 10, It has both a repair mode which you have to run manually and it also has a recovery mode that is automatic if the charger detects sulfation when you start charging a battery. There is a gentleman on YouTube who has run the Genius 5 charger and monitored what it does when charging or repairing with I believe an oscilloscope. From the graphs he shows it appears the Noco desulfates by pulsing the current going to the battery. in both recovery mode and repair mode. Repair mode uses a higher voltage with a smaller current rate pulse. The YouTube user's name is Magic Smoke, search his videos for Noco, he also does a teardown of a Genius 5 comparing it to a teardown of a Ctek. The Ctek does not seem to impress.
This looks really interesting, and a comparable product to the BatteryMindr onboard. But I thought when you said "in car" it was going to be a 12V outlet device, you know, 'in car' vs 'in engine compartment', which is probably not feasible, but, why not? Too much resistance between a 12V outlet and the battery?
China is the pits. Bastards steal every idea they can get their hands on. It's like it's ingrained in them.If I had a NOCO charger I'd be tempted to open it up and compare it to my Chinese brand, wouldn't be at all surprised if both are very similar, possibly identical . This is what happens when there is a rush to off shore mfg and certain countries have a well documented history of not abiding by patent laws. When I was looking at buying a modern battery charger there were dozens of options to choose from but nearly all mfg in China.
that they do and US companies were fully aware of the risk but there were profits to be made. Having worked in tech industries one of the early court cases involved Huawei copying Cisco routers, the evidence clearly showed design was copied but also the documentation was copied verbatim including some grammatical errorrs.
Bump your SOC to 95% or even 100%. I've been at 95% for a while and I am going to 100% very soon. As soon as my company leaves this Sunday. I see the same high charge voltages in colder weather in both the 2005 Ranger as in the 2020 Ranger. I went out and started the 2005 Ranger a few days ago after it sat for 3 weeks. The battery voltage was at 12.7v!My Update:
Almost (1) month since installing the Batt Minder and upping the SOC from 75% to 80%
No seeing any improvement in battery health. Only using the Batt Minder (On-Board)
I did confirm what TJC has noted, when using a Plug-In Voltmeter in the Power Points there is a (.2)
voltage difference -Power Point = (.2) volts lower than actual battery voltage
as I stated before, this is most likely the voltage drop across the power point relay.
At shutdown after 5-Minutes - Same or close to all previous readings
A little bit lower than before install
However, cooler temps and more night driving so more noted in the 14's charging voltage.
Desulphator light is blinking at anything over 13.5 volts (verifed)
So, i question the effectiveness of the desulphator 13.5 vs 14.5 volts, which one of the (2) is doing more for the battery?
Since my main goal is to get better battery health, I need to include at test after 10 to 12 hrs rest
Note: 12.1 Volts, this matches what I have always seen on the Power Point meter 11.9 Volts, this clearly shows the voltage drop. In all of my Wake-Up voltage tests.
So, I need to update my BMS Charging System Thread, to note this small difference.
So, for mine - I have always have roughly .75-volt loss during sleep modes, my wake-up voltages have always been around 11.9 volts (12.1 Actual) on my meter. even after letting it sit for 3 or more days without starting it.
After 12 Hrs. Rest - (AKA - Wake-Up) Voltage
My changes today:
Bumped SOC from 80% to 85% and will monitor next month for any progression.
I also ordered the Noco Genius 10 - Cyber Monday
Being that I should have a battery charger in my massive tool assortment anyway.
I thought I would give it a try.
My thought was to hook up with it and disulfate while at rest vs only while being driven to speed up the process.
I do question at what IR, will the NOCO register it needs Desulphated, what is its programmed minimum IR it needs to see before it turns the desulphating mode off?
For a related matter, I question the true readings of the Topdon, how accurate is it? I know the voltage reading itself is accurate but how accurate is the Battery Test Results?
Being that results will widely vary depending on where you hook up the test leads.
The results themselves stay pretty much the same as long as I hook up to the same exact location every time.
Note: Resistance variance from the lead hook up points, will vary your results.
If needed might step up to the more expensive Batt Minder, IDK this is not a dire need for me, it is more of a can I make it better quest and what will it take in baby steps to reach that goal.
My Update:
Almost (1) month since installing the Batt Minder and upping the SOC from 75% to 80%
No seeing any improvement in battery health. Only using the Batt Minder (On-Board)
I did confirm what TJC has noted, when using a Plug-In Voltmeter in the Power Points there is a (.2)
voltage difference -Power Point = (.2) volts lower than actual battery voltage
as I stated before, this is most likely the voltage drop across the power point relay.
At shutdown after 5-Minutes - Same or close to all previous readings
A little bit lower than before install
However, cooler temps and more night driving so more noted in the 14's charging voltage.
Desulphator light is blinking at anything over 13.5 volts (verifed)
So, i question the effectiveness of the desulphator 13.5 vs 14.5 volts, which one of the (2) is doing more for the battery?
Since my main goal is to get better battery health, I need to include at test after 10 to 12 hrs rest
Note: 12.1 Volts, this matches what I have always seen on the Power Point meter 11.9 Volts, this clearly shows the voltage drop. In all of my Wake-Up voltage tests.
So, I need to update my BMS Charging System Thread, to note this small difference.
So, for mine - I have always have roughly .75-volt loss during sleep modes, my wake-up voltages have always been around 11.9 volts (12.1 Actual) on my meter. even after letting it sit for 3 or more days without starting it.
After 12 Hrs. Rest - (AKA - Wake-Up) Voltage
My changes today:
Bumped SOC from 80% to 85% and will monitor next month for any progression.
I also ordered the Noco Genius 10 - Cyber Monday
Being that I should have a battery charger in my massive tool assortment anyway.
I thought I would give it a try.
My thought was to hook up with it and disulfate while at rest vs only while being driven to speed up the process.
I do question at what IR, will the NOCO register it needs Desulphated, what is its programmed minimum IR it needs to see before it turns the desulphating mode off?
For a related matter, I question the true readings of the Topdon, how accurate is it? I know the voltage reading itself is accurate but how accurate is the Battery Test Results?
Being that results will widely vary depending on where you hook up the test leads.
The results themselves stay pretty much the same as long as I hook up to the same exact location every time.
Note: Resistance variance from the lead hook up points, will vary your results.
If needed might step up to the more expensive Batt Minder, IDK this is not a dire need for me, it is more of a can I make it better quest and what will it take in baby steps to reach that goal.
