Theory on fuel in oil.

[JasonTremor]

This is the way I drive my truck. I mostly drive it on weekends. I drive an hour and a half to my cabin on Friday and back on Sunday, with short trips in between. I have abut 11,000 on the truck and 3000 on my current oil change. The first pic was taken at 2000 on this oil change and the second was taken today (3000). Same level as when it was first changed and it just smells like oil.

Looks great to me! Wish mine looked that way. I changed mine last Saturday with 1960 miles on it. Factory oil was black and up to the bottom of the twist on the dipstick.

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[jblc]

Here's another theory on fuel dilution here.

Three interesting takeaways from this video:
1) oil dilution caused by (as mentioned in other posts) fuel seeping by the cylinder walls due to ring fit -- but specifically because fuel is ending up sprayed directly on cylinder walls. And especially when it's cold.

2) Make sure oil passes spec to prevent timing chain stretch due to soot wear (time stamp). I checked and Amsoil and Mobil 1 both do, for example; I'm assuming most do.

3) Some people have talked about engine knock. According to this video (time stamp here), one solution is changing the OIL formulation, not the fuel formulation (eg 87 vs 91 octane). Most people probably already use the right oil, but worth checking.

Note: the channel is reliable, but that specific eposide seems to have been sponsored by Mobil 1...which happens to pass all the tests

 

[Big Blue]

Here's another theory on fuel dilution here.

Note: the channel is reliable, but that specific eposide seems to have been sponsored by Mobil 1...which happens to pass all the tests

Yes a nice video that explains some of the inherant issues with all direct injection engines. I would stop short of calling the problems, as the video does.

Does nothing to explain why some of trucks show high delution percentages and others, the majority, show almost none. Also nothing about what is a dangerous level.

Yes it does appear like an ad for Mobile One, but stops short of actually pushing it. Many oils meet the GF 6A standard and that should be looked for when selecting your oil.

 

[GTGallop]

Though this might be relevant.

 

[Big Blue]

Though this might be relevant.

That's the video we were just talking about. Issues yes, big problems no. Nice promotion paid for by Mobile 1.

 

[GitRDone]

Make more sense now why many cars today lack dipsticks. There's an old saying that if you can't spot the dipstick under the hood, then maybe you're it.

 

[tehschkott]

This may have been asked earlier but why don't you trade it in for a 2022? If there's no warranty-able issues and you like the format, surely they will give you close to full value on it. Esp w used car resale values being what they are right now.

 

[GTGallop]

Make more sense now why many cars today lack dipsticks. There's an old saying that if you can't spot the dipstick under the hood, then maybe you're it.

They are making cars w/o a dipstick these days? Who is doing that?

 

[MountainGoat]

They are making cars w/o a dipstick these days? Who is doing that?

Mini Cooper for one. Those are just terribly designed cars all around though.

 

[JustSteve]

This may have been asked earlier but why don't you trade it in for a 2022? If there's no warranty-able issues and you like the format, surely they will give you close to full value on it. Esp w used car resale values being what they are right now.

But how much does a new one cost? I paid $6000 less than MSRP two years ago. I have heard MSRP plus now. Besides, why would someone with an oil dilution problem, which Ford is ignoring, buy another Ford? Ever?

 

[tehschkott]

I'm not being a fanboy by saying, just by the numbers, this seems an exception not a trend. It seems silly to use this example and paint all Ford's with it. If you like the format, it seems like there are options.

I guess I don't know the value of a deal that puts you with a suboptimal rig.

Anyhow, sucks to hear of your woes. Hope you have a satisfactory outcome

 

[Joeiconic]

They are making cars w/o a dipstick these days? Who is doing that?

Many, if not all, new European cars don’t have dipsticks. I am on my third BMW dating back to 2007 and none have had dipsticks. They have an electronic sensor that allows you to measure the oil level and/or that will provide an alert if the oil gets a quart low. Honestly it works fine. I change oil at 5000 miles and use full synthetic, so I don‘t worry about needing to get a visual of what it looks like. I just traded a 2017 X5 that I bought new and had 90,000 carefree miles. I honestly don‘t think I opened the hood in 5 1/2 years. Best car I‘ve ever owned.

 

[evoaire]

But how much does a new one cost? I paid $6000 less than MSRP two years ago. I have heard MSRP plus now. Besides, why would someone with an oil dilution problem, which Ford is ignoring, buy another Ford? Ever?

Well, maybe cuz its not a Ford issue. More like a DI issue. So if you want mo powa, mo powa, these days, that means turbo, and if you want to burn clean, and have all those fancy gagets, again tubo, otherwise, you have two choices, 1. get rid of every tree hugging huggies who support the EPA, 2. buy Tesla-mo powa, until you need to replace those batrays, mo money mo money.

 

[Trustable]

This may have been asked earlier but why don't you trade it in for a 2022? If there's no warranty-able issues and you like the format, surely they will give you close to full value on it. Esp w used car resale values being what they are right now.

But how much does a new one cost? I paid $6000 less than MSRP two years ago. I have heard MSRP plus now. Besides, why would someone with an oil dilution problem, which Ford is ignoring, buy another Ford? Ever?

I'm not being a fanboy by saying, just by the numbers, this seems an exception not a trend. It seems silly to use this example and paint all Ford's with it. If you like the format, it seems like there are options.

I guess I don't know the value of a deal that puts you with a suboptimal rig.

Anyhow, sucks to hear of your woes. Hope you have a satisfactory outcome

The issue isn't so much that I have fuel in my oil, that can be fixed eventually, its that ford pretty much will run you around in circles until you accept it or finally get them to fix it (I dont have the time or resources to be taking my truck up there every other week.) Having changed both my parents oil for them on different Fords, they have never had this problem with the DI turbos. What is a trend though, is the shitty customer service we have received from Ford. I try to be fair about dealers since they are not representative of ford, and the one I was just at seems to be the shitty kind. And I guess they can get away with it since they are the only one within 40-50 miles at least. But the support we have received from Ford (non dealers) over the years on multiple different vehicles has been atrocious. I used to consider myself a Ford fanboy as well, I would tell others how great they are and ignore the issues. Unfortunately, this is the last straw for me. I'm going to try to lease something for a couple or few years then come back and take a look at what's on the market. With Carvana offering me only 3k under what I paid after A plan, I cant complain to much with their offer. Im hoping when I come back looking that toyota will have fully updated the 4 runner to be somewhat modern instead of the dinosaur that it is.

 

[tehschkott]

Fair enough. I'd likely feel the same with this experience. Sorry to hear it.

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