Belt Tensioner SNAPPED OFF

[DukeCanBuildit]

Three statements of fact...

1 - I'm too old and tired to do that. 20 years ago and no fancy electronics and I would be up for it.

2 - I'd swap $$ for peace of mind in a heart beat.

3 - And I'm probably more frugal than 99% of the population. Note: Frugal does not equal parsimonious / selfish.

That’s exactly what I plan on having engraved on my headstone!

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[TJC]

That’s exactly what I plan on having engraved on my headstone!

Speaking of headstones

This is one of my maternal ancestor's headstone.
I researched it. It is not an original quote.

But it is spot on in my mind.

 

[Av8or1]

IIRC someone here a while ago attempted (or was attempting) to do it and found out it was going to be more of a hassle than it was worth. For one the electronics/computer would be a hassle getting them to work well and the 4wd/TC controller would have to be moved. Then there's the gearing and pedal and linkage controls having to be worked in.

If someone was going to attempt this they'd better have deep pockets and a lot patience. lol It might be a fun project but not something worth while trying on your daily driver. I'd recommend them using a salvage truck because it sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.

Not as hard as you're making it out to begin. Or we have a different baseline for project difficulty

https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/manual-trans-swap-mt88.32696/

I think it would certainly be less work than the guy that solid axle swapped his ranger.

 

[TJC]

Not as hard as you're making it out to begin. Or we have a different baseline for project difficulty

https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/manual-trans-swap-mt88.32696/

I think it would certainly be less work than the guy that solid axle swapped his ranger.

Did he ever complete the manual transmission conversion?

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

Did he ever complete the manual transmission conversion?

Great! Now I’m gonna have to change what’s written on my headstone.

 

[IdahoRanger]

Great! Now I’m gonna have to change what’s written on my headstone.

All you need is SCAB FTW.

 

[Av8or1]

Did he ever complete the manual transmission conversion?

Yall are awful at reading comprehension

 

[TJC]

Yall are awful at reading comprehension

Maybe so, but I followed the link to the thread, and admittedly skimmed it, and it appears he traded the Ranger in for something different. I never saw where he actually completed the conversion. I'll go back and read it carefully this time around.

Update:
OK, so you were putting the Ford 2.3L drive train into your 97 Land Rover Discovery and as an aside, mentioned it would be easy to convert a Ranger. Then came to this thread and you used your Land Rover Conversion thread as a reference how how easy it would be to do the conversion on the Ranger.

I think you said it best... "we have a different baseline for project difficulty."

Maybe I'm still misunderstanding...

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Just curious. Would the tow rating be less for the manual? I see the Bronco with the manual is limited to 3500lbs but so is the automatic. The Bronco suspension is the major limiting factor for towing but just wondering how strong the manual is.

 

[AzScorpion]

Not as hard as you're making it out to begin. Or we have a different baseline for project difficulty

https://www.ranger5g.com/forum/threads/manual-trans-swap-mt88.32696/

I think it would certainly be less work than the guy that solid axle swapped his ranger.

Maybe so, but I followed the link to the thread, and admittedly skimmed it, and it appears he traded the Ranger in for something different. I never saw where he actually completed the conversion. I'll go back and read it carefully this time around.

Update:
OK, so you were putting the Ford 2.3L drive train into your 97 Land Rover Discovery and as an aside, mentioned it would be easy to convert a Ranger. Then came to this thread and you used your Land Rover Conversion thread as a reference how how easy it would be to do the conversion on the Ranger.

I think you said it best... "we have a different baseline for project difficulty."

Maybe I'm still misunderstanding...

Yeah putting it into a '97 Land Rover is not the same as changing one out from a Ranger to Ranger. Like I said I think there's going to be some problems with the electronics playing well together along with the others things I mentioned especially for the average person.

A '97 Land Rover would be a complete work-over which is not the same thing. It's a cool project, but not really the point we were trying to make going from Ranger - Ranger. I mean with enough money and knowledge you could stick a Hemi in a Ranger.

 

[FerdRanger]

did my tensioner replace today and went the “elegant route” grinding the original lower mount at a 45

easy enough if you have a variety of metric tools and follow the tips in the thread ……

the right combinations of various 10mm to 21 … open ends, sockets, extensions and such is helpful
mostly 13mm….

really, 13mm ???? no wonder they fail

 

[DonS]

How are the Escape tensioners working?, I ask on AI about using a 2018 escape tensioner on my 2020 ranger and got a book of reasons not to use it. Sprong tenstion not right. Ect...., and 0 reasons why i should.
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[DonS]

Spring tension, sorry

 

[TJC]

It is very easy to test and

How are the Escape tensioners working?, I ask on AI about using a 2018 escape tensioner on my 2020 ranger and got a book of reasons not to use it. Sprong tenstion not right. Ect...., and 0 reasons why i should.
...

Did you ask AI for specifics? The exact tension specs for both?

It is relatively easy to find out. Simply measure the resistance using an old school torque wrench.

Here's what I got from Grok (which sourced Youtube!) when I asked

Accessory drive differences: Even on similar 2.3L EcoBoost engines, the Ranger (truck application) has different belt routing, loads, pulley alignment, tension requirements, and mounting stresses compared to the Escape (crossover/SUV). The spring rate, damping, pulley offset/diameter, and overall design are tuned specifically for each vehicle.

• Pulley alignment, diameter and offset. Identical on my Dayco part.
• Design is obviously different - for the better
• Mounting stresses - obviously better

Part Numbers are different, but very similar. I do not have the secret decoder ring to determine the significance of the difference in numbers, but similar coding is not accidental.

2020 Ranger - KB3Z-6A228-A (B, C)
2018 Escape - CV6Z-6A228-A, PZ1Z-6A228-A, DS7Z-6A228-B

I asked Grok for tension specs of each. Here is the reply:

No specific public "tension specs" (e.g., spring force in Newtons/lbs or exact deflection values) are readily available for direct comparison between the 2018 Ford Escape and 2020 Ford Ranger 2.3L EcoBoost belt tensioners.​

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No deflection measurement or force specs (e.g., "X mm deflection under Y lbs pressure") are published in owner resources or common parts data for these models. These are handled by the automatic tensioner design.​

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I weighed the risk vs gain.

I'm going to continue to use the escape tensioner. I know the possibility / risk of staying with the Ford Spec part and don't need the timing cover unexpectedly snapping off on my 2020 Ranger.

I may go out and check the load on the tensioner against the 2018 Escape tensioner. When removing, the tension felt very much the same. I had to take the load off the tensioner to remove/install the belt.

AI bots are only as good as their data source. Sometimes they are flat out wrong.

 

[Frenchy]

How are the Escape tensioners working?, I ask on AI about using a 2018 escape tensioner on my 2020 ranger and got a book of reasons not to use it. Sprong tenstion not right. Ect...., and 0 reasons why i should.
...

Why are you relying on AI? Last I checked AI will not help you repair your vehicle especially if a bolt is seized or stripped.

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