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Ok I get what you're saying. I forgot it was a PM between me and airline tech. I screen shotted as much as I could:If this was a direct message between you and airline tech, it is a private message and cannot be accessed by the general forum membership. So I do not have authorization to view it.
I will give that a try and check back.Curiosity Question:
Before you start the truck, move the Headlight (Switch) from Auto to Headlamp.
Does the Start-Up Sequence -(Function)?
I agree - and now see, that if the (Morimoto's) already have power (Low Beams) triggered on by the (Low Light) conditions then the headlight (Sequence) cannot be initiated.
Its looking for (Initial) power up.
So, what I need to know is - Will the (Truck) let the start-up sequence happen, without starting the truck by just simply turning on the headlights, or is the (Switched) power source (REQUIRED)
Since, the focus has been on the (DRL) circuit tap, I am trying to isolate down how the headlight triggers the (Start-Up) sequence.
I am thinking that there is a (Internal) relay (Coil Side) that is powered by the (Tapped) source, momentary pulse to the (Headlight) side - The programming for that (Start-Up) begins with (OFF) then (Sequence-ON) Light 1-2-3, then if it sees power (Dark-Low Beams-ON) via switch they remain (ON) if (Daylight) and they do not see power on (Low Beams) the Start-Up sequence triggers the lights (OFF)
So, for the (Start-Up) sequence issue - it's the issue of the programming of the (Low Beam) needing to be (OFF) to begin the sequence.
I am working on (As-Built) programming to see if there is a way to get the start-up sequence to function (always) without the Headlamp switch needing to be (OFF)
Good to here from someone with a different aftermarket manufacturer. I have not seen the install directions for them. It would be good if someone who has them could post a copy. From their advertising they appear quite different from my OLMs or the Morimoto's. More similar the the OEM light. With an LED projector for low beams and LED reflector for high beam. Only real difference is the LED bars for DRL/parking/turn. Their tapped power harness seems quite different. The Anzos also are advertised as being for OEM HALOGENS ONLY. This make it easier for them to not have to deal with the differences with the OEM LED lights. They only need to handle the light bars for DRL/park/turns, and what ever startup sequence they do.I can't say for sure on that brand, and I've not fully tested my thoughts on the Anzos. With Anzo the power tap they ask for is constant +12V. If goes to an external box along with a ground and the parking lights. I think they may be reversing the polarity of the parking wiring and that ground between the box and the Anzo light assembly, they could have a rectifier circuit, with a capacitor to power the logic board using the park + & - leads process it as park input only when the current if flowing in the right direction. I thought the aftermarket "startup" sequences all happened when you unlock the truck with the keyfob or maybe door handle on Lariat, that trigger the turn+park power at the same time and then dropping to just parking lights, or turn signals that quickly transitions to parking lights with nothing else lit. If the lights require constant power like the Anzos for the logic board, and you've tapped into ignition switched power that may be the issue. I will note, when I do the remote start, I do not get the startup sequence on my lights, as the turn signals flash, but the park lights do not remain on when the turn signals turn off, they come on only after I press the other button a couple times.
I tested this as you requested and a little bit more:Curiosity Question:
Before you start the truck, move the Headlight (Switch) from Auto to Headlamp.
Does the Start-Up Sequence -(Function)?
I agree - and now see, that if the (Morimoto's) already have power (Low Beams) triggered on by the (Low Light) conditions then the headlight (Sequence) cannot be initiated.
Its looking for (Initial) power up.
So, what I need to know is - Will the (Truck) let the start-up sequence happen, without starting the truck by just simply turning on the headlights, or is the (Switched) power source (REQUIRED)
Since, the focus has been on the (DRL) circuit tap, I am trying to isolate down how the headlight triggers the (Start-Up) sequence.
I am thinking that there is a (Internal) relay (Coil Side) that is powered by the (Tapped) source, momentary pulse to the (Headlight) side - The programming for that (Start-Up) begins with (OFF) then (Sequence-ON) Light 1-2-3, then if it sees power (Dark-Low Beams-ON) via switch they remain (ON) if (Daylight) and they do not see power on (Low Beams) the Start-Up sequence triggers the lights (OFF)
So, for the (Start-Up) sequence issue - it's the issue of the programming of the (Low Beam) needing to be (OFF) to begin the sequence.
I am working on (As-Built) programming to see if there is a way to get the start-up sequence to function (always) without the Headlamp switch needing to be (OFF)
What fuse are you tapped into? for the HeadlightsI tested this as you requested and a little bit more:
Ok...with no key in the ignition and the switch in auto, I changed the switch from auto to headlights. The lights came on with no startup. When I turn the key to start the truck, there is no change to the lights.
The second thing I tried was to get in the truck with the light switch to off. Upon turning the key to start the truck, I get the startup sequence on both headlights every time. Also, drivers side light bar is off and passenger side is on. Still in the off position only the lightbar remains on the passenger side. If I continue and start the truck, passenger side light bar goes out and the two lightbars come on, with driver's side coming on first for a split second followed by the passenger side. It really get convoluted trying to run back and forth door open door closed I really can't tell what all the interlocks might be. But this behavior was pretty consistent.
After thinking about this for a little bit, it occurred to me that this seems like the same problem in reverse from starting in auto.
Fuse number 19What fuse are you tapped into? for the Headlights
This is really getting to be a frustrating issue, I had calling it a problem. I have come to the conclusion that using remote start is not a good method for troubleshooting this. Because. When using remote start the headlights don't come in to play until you get in and turn the key to on or push the start button. So for me I'm going to need a second person to be in the truck to try different scenarios or go part in front of some stores window. That should drive somebody nuts wondering what going on.I tested this as you requested and a little bit more:
Ok...with no key in the ignition and the switch in auto, I changed the switch from auto to headlights. The lights came on with no startup. When I turn the key to start the truck, there is no change to the lights.
The second thing I tried was to get in the truck with the light switch to off. Upon turning the key to start the truck, I get the startup sequence on both headlights every time. Also, drivers side light bar is off and passenger side is on. Still in the off position only the lightbar remains on the passenger side. If I continue and start the truck, passenger side light bar goes out and the two lightbars come on, with driver's side coming on first for a split second followed by the passenger side. It really get convoluted trying to run back and forth door open door closed I really can't tell what all the interlocks might be. But this behavior was pretty consistent.
After thinking about this for a little bit, it occurred to me that this seems like the same problem in reverse from starting in auto.
Speaking of "time factor". There are settings in my dash for lighting off delay (or something like that). I'm assuming you can set the time that lights go off after key removal for the curtesy lights. options are zero seconds to 20 seconds. I haven't tried adjusting that but since we are talking about timing, it makes me wonder even though it might be a long shot since it's seems it's only a power down timing function. But that function is also useful when you want the bed lighting to stay on for a delayed period. So I know how frustrating this is. Hope I'm in the right fuse 19 slot. That would look really bad.This is really getting to be a frustrating issue, I had calling it a problem. I have come to the conclusion that using remote start is not a good method for troubleshooting this. Because. When using remote start the headlights don't come in to play until you get in and turn the key to on or push the start button. So for me I'm going to need a second person to be in the truck to try different scenarios or go part in front of some stores window. That should drive somebody nuts wondering what going on.
I am also beginning to believe there is a time factor between starts that also figures into this. I do know that it takes some time for the BCM to fully shut down and reset after turning off the truck. And, this is longer than the time for the lights to turn off. How this affects the startup sequence, I don't know.
Iny playing I did have a couple instances of the passenger side not occurring while the driver side did. I also had sometimes where neither had the sequence with the headlights in the on position.
I've always waited for the lights to time out between trys and still get different results. I've seen reports of people have issues and coming back 10-15 minutes later and everything working normal. Frustrating!Speaking of "time factor". There are settings in my dash for lighting off delay (or something like that). I'm assuming you can set the time that lights go off after key removal for the curtesy lights. options are zero seconds to 20 seconds. I haven't tried adjusting that but since we are talking about timing, it makes me wonder even though it might be a long shot since it's seems it's only a power down timing function. But that function is also useful when you want the bed lighting to stay on for a delayed period. So I know how frustrating this is. Hope I'm in the right fuse 19 slot. That would look really bad.
This reminds me about something I've learned in school about "race conditions" and the issues they can cause. Where 2 or more electronic components can compete for functionality. Now this was back in the 80's and I would have figured that these design issues would have gotten flushed out by now. But again, I'm grabbing at straws as this drags on and on.I've always waited for the lights to time out between trys and still get different results. I've seen reports of people have issues and coming back 10-15 minutes later and everything working normal. Frustrating!