Two years almost to the day, transmission going to sh*t yet again

[2020RangerGuy]

This thread is freaking me out a bit, are these tranny just ticking time bombs? My truck has 30k miles and I'm worried about it. $7k is no joke, and while I have the money, I don't want to blow it on a damn transmission... before 100k miles at least

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[TJC]

My Jasper remanufactured transmission had a warranty of 3 years / 100,000 miles, was transferable. and included parts and labor. Same warranty for the 4.0L V6 engine. I have not had a single issue with either in my 2005 Ranger - 5 years later.

I think I will contact them to see what the specifics are on the 10R80.

 

[Red5ThGen]

This thread is freaking me out a bit, are these tranny just ticking time bombs? My truck has 30k miles and I'm worried about it. $7k is no joke, and while I have the money, I don't want to blow it on a damn transmission... before 100k miles at least

Any ranger built on 22 August, 2022 or earlier has the defective CDF drum. Which is the common cause of the 10r80 failing seemingly randomly at any mileage. The only fix is a rebuild or replacement with updated parts. It's not guaranteed to fail in your ownership but the odds don't seem great for any of us with the defective drum.

 

[Stevedbvik1]

Any ranger built on 22 August, 2022 or earlier has the defective CDF drum. Which is the common cause of the 10r80 failing seemingly randomly at any mileage. The only fix is a rebuild or replacement with updated parts. It's not guaranteed to fail in your ownership but the odds don't seem great for any of us with the defective drum.

It’s a spin of the CDF drum failure mileage wheel

 

[TJC]

Any ranger built on 22 August, 2022 or earlier has the defective CDF drum. Which is the common cause of the 10r80 failing seemingly randomly at any mileage. The only fix is a rebuild or replacement with updated parts. It's not guaranteed to fail in your ownership but the odds don't seem great for any of us with the defective drum.

I actually believe the valve body / solenoids are the real issue, and that the CDF drum slipping is the result. Both are poorly implemented.

The solenoids are not protected from ferrous particulate accumulations, causing sticking, and the valve body is made out of very soft aluminum and will wear quickly, causing seepage and lower fluid pressure.

And I also believe that excessive heat is the enemy. If any of those solenoids stick, fluid starvation occurs, and clutch discs, etc overheat. Excessive heat results in metal expansions, and stainless steel, steel, and aluminum all have different expansion coefficients. When you depend on a friction fit to hold a part in place, you hove two choices, use "like" materials. or control the temperature to maintain the friction fit tolerance.

NextGen Engineers evaluated the 10R80 and has an extensive list of weaknesses inherent in the design.

Ford broke all the rules...

 

[PCakes]

I guess I’ll chime in with my issues as well. New user but I have a 2020 Ford Ranger. My truck is out of warranty and only have 35k miles on it. I ended up having to go to an independent shop to replace the transmission just 2 weeks ago. New trans with the updated cdf drum and still have the same hesitation to shift from second to third. Downshifts clunky as before but normal driving definitely improved until... Was cruising on the freeway and new trans popped out of 10th gear and started down shifting and up shifting like crazy. Ended up putting in manual mode and forcing it into 10th. Took maybe 5 seconds before it finally engaged. Has been hesitating to shift into gear since. Will check trans level when warm to see if somehow overfilled but have a feeling new trans has solenoid issues. It’s been a pretty frustrating couple years of ownership.

GM has the same valve body/ solenoid issues too. But don’t have the cdf issues as often as us. Their trans run at a similar temp to the Fords so take that info as you will.

 

[TJC]

Will check trans level when warm to see if somehow overfilled but have a feeling new trans has solenoid issues. It’s been a pretty frustrating couple years of ownership.

GM has the same valve body/ solenoid issues too. But don’t have the cdf issues as often as us. Their trans run at a similar temp to the Fords so take that info as you will.

If you don't have the MBS Dipstick (the FitzStick) , purchase one. Then it becomes much easier to service your transmission. Check out my previous post on how to easily validate / check your fluid level using the Fitzstick Dipstick.

 

[Awwphooey]

This probably wont matter to anyone a squat, but had time to kill...

 

[Awwphooey]

A repair performed under warranty will have it's own warranty of 12m/12k. Had he paid for a transmission overhaul, the warranty would be 24m/unlimited miles. Had he paid for a Ford remanufactured transmission, that warranty lasts 36m/unlimited miles.

ahhh- thanks for the input Duff. Wasn't aware. Appreciate it.

 

[2020RangerGuy]

This probably wont matter to anyone a squat, but had time to kill...

Brother, I am sorry Ford and that dealer won't do the right thing. Hopefully your video gets some traction. I'd post it on Twitter, tag Ford assuming they're on there, post on FB, whatever social media you have (I don't know much about it, but my wife lives on it)

The Ford of yesteryear is gone. Everyone suffering and spending 1000's on these truck's transmission makes me sick. This makes me want to sell mine even more.

 

[awd.nv]

I actually believe the valve body / solenoids are the real issue, and that the CDF drum slipping is the result. Both are poorly implemented.

The solenoids are not protected from ferrous particulate accumulations, causing sticking, and the valve body is made out of very soft aluminum and will wear quickly, causing seepage and lower fluid pressure.

And I also believe that excessive heat is the enemy. If any of those solenoids stick, fluid starvation occurs, and clutch discs, etc overheat. Excessive heat results in metal expansions, and stainless steel, steel, and aluminum all have different expansion coefficients. When you depend on a friction fit to hold a part in place, you hove two choices, use "like" materials. or control the temperature to maintain the friction fit tolerance.

NextGen Engineers evaluated the 10R80 and has an extensive list of weaknesses inherent in the design.

Ford broke all the rules...

The valve body sure seems to be a large portion of issues but the CDF drum has some bushing that spins blocking fluid to pass, something like that.

I have seen a few of the interviews the Nextgen owner has done, I wish his entry level trans was not $10k or I would consider one. You can buy two 10r80 from Levittown Ford for less than one of his entry level models which is tough for something like the Ranger. It makes sense for someone with a Raptor F150 that has $20k in upgrades.

I just hope mine last or fails under extended warranty. I have 60k miles on my Ranger but new (reman.) engine at 50k so while that sucked, at least the engine is good to go.

 

[CP0861]

I'm in the same boat.

Had mine repaired under the TSB (valve body and CDF) about 30k miles ago - truck had 34k. I'm now about 65k (warranty good till 75K) and the same nonsense is back.

I just haven't made the call yet....gonna wait another couple thousand miles until I need an oil change and tackle it then. Gonna dig out my paperwork in the meantime.

Clunky downshifts...hesitation/sputtering when first driving off....have had a few throttle delays at intersections. It was fine for about 20-25k miles and then it came back.

These transmissions SUCK.

Just got off of the phone with my local Ford dealer. The advisor said they are going to replace valve body and torque converter. I have already had the valve body done once before...about 30k miles ago.

I told her that I already had the prior TSB procedures done...including the valve body. I asked if the repair would be warrantied? Or do I just go through this every 30k miles?

She went through the history, talked to the tech, and they said he will check the trans fluid and if it's discolored in any way, they will push for a new transmission. I don't know if that was a "wink wink" type of story in that hopefully the fluid will miraculously be dirty and they'll push for a replacement or just they'll check and do what they can....either way, sounds like they will replace if Ford will go along, or worst case, replace the valve body and torque converter...AGAIN...if Ford gives any pushback.

This is now warranty repair #5 in less than 3 years. The third for the transmission.

Electrical nightmare in which my door sensor was telling the computer my door was open
Valve body
CDF
DPFE
Now valve body/torque converter.

I'm at about 65K miles. 10k miles left on my warranty....that Ford already extended as a courtesy due to my electrical nightmare (which included about 5 trips to the dealer) right after purchase.

And my story is very similar to the guy in the video a few posts above. Had my first issues around 25-30k miles....had the valve body/cdf replaced....now back again about 25k miles later. I had an F150 for 20 years with ZERO issues before this Ranger. Sad thing is....I still LOVE the truck. But the transmission is an absolute POS.

With that being said, I must echo the guy in the video, "been nothing but a heartbreak for me.....I will never purchase another Ford vehicle ever again.....I won't spend the money on a Ford product.....my advice to you is if you are looking to purchase a Ford vehicle with this silver shiny turd of a transmission, turn tail and run."

Also, I don't think the worst of the issues have hit. Lots of you guys only drive 5-10 thousand miles a year and haven't gotten to that sweet spot of problems 30-40k miles. Best of luck to you.

If you are anywhere near the end of your warranty, figure out a plan.

I hate to do it, and I'll probably eat $10K..at least...but I don't see how it makes any sense to keep this truck when I'm hoping to get 200k+ miles out of a vehicle. Might as well take the hit now instead of spending thousands on future transmission issues and dealing with this constant, reoccuring NIGHTMARE.

 

[gilbert77]

This thread is freaking me out a bit, are these tranny just ticking time bombs? My truck has 30k miles and I'm worried about it. $7k is no joke, and while I have the money, I don't want to blow it on a damn transmission... before 100k miles at least

Ticking time bomb.

Trade or sell it for a newer model or different make.

 

[2020RangerGuy]

Ticking time bomb.

Trade or sell it for a newer model or different make.

Yes sir, I am replacing the truck today

 

[Awwphooey]

The valve body sure seems to be a large portion of issues but the CDF drum has some bushing that spins blocking fluid to pass, something like that.

I have seen a few of the interviews the Nextgen owner has done, I wish his entry level trans was not $10k or I would consider one. You can buy two 10r80 from Levittown Ford for less than one of his entry level models which is tough for something like the Ranger. It makes sense for someone with a Raptor F150 that has $20k in upgrades.

I just hope mine last or fails under extended warranty. I have 60k miles on my Ranger but new (reman.) engine at 50k so while that sucked, at least the engine is good to go.

Agreed on Nextgen. I actually called them to find out what options. 10K for the entry trans as you said, which is all I'd need, I rarely tow (maybe 3 times a year) and hardly ever 4x4. But... again... 10K...

If I heard the rep correctly, it sounds like they sell a valve assembly that he said "will last you a few years".

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