Tesla’s bricked by severe cold

[WhyNot21]

I saw one of the new Hummer EV's on the way home the other night... The whole damn front end was illuminated and looked hideous! And when are people going to realize it takes way many more resources for these EV cars, than it does for fossil fuel burning cars... I'm just not a fan of EV's and I hope to never have one!

Most people who buy EV's, like myself, are just interested in the way it drives. Smooth endless torque is hard to forget, once you experience it. I couldn't care less if it used 10x the resources of an ICE.

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[MountainGoat]

I couldn't care less if it used 10x the resources of an ICE.

The most boomer thing I've heard so far this year!

 

[9zero1790]

I like honesty!

 

[kendive]

If you bought a Tesla I have some land on the moon I will sell ya.

 

[Langwilliams]

Yes it's a sad fact that Australia has many oil reserves, and in fact is a net producer of oil, however because of a decision made by a conservative government many years ago, that we would have to pay world oil price equivalent even for locally produced oil, every time world oil prices go up we have to pay more, even for locally produced oil and gas. Last year we had a gas shortage leading to huge increases in electricity prices, in the midst of Australia being one of the worlds biggest exporters of LNG. All because of greedy corporations and a government which was hamstrung by shortsighted decisions by it's predecessor.

Blame a conservative government all you want but I bet there are major implications to not paying world market prices. I assume a liberal government that came after them hasn't reversed that rule/law. My guess is there would be sanctions and retaliatory trade actions against them if they ignored the world market.

 

[kendive]

Could not help myself.

 

[daczone]

I love my DeWalt 20v tools, but before those, I had corded tools or hand powered tools...

To me, I want to hear the engine/exhaust rumble, I also prefer to shift gears manually, with my foot on the clutch and I cannot stand all of this electronic mess in these new vehicles! I don't care for it in the Ranger, that was one of the things I just dealt with.

I still have my Audi TT for that... 6 speed Turbo and all the noise. Sadly it sounds faster than it is. I think I drove it 3 times last year.

 

[daczone]

These Telsa batteries are just 7,000 18650s. AKA flashlight batteries. Even a single one can be an issue if the wrap gets scratched, poles touch something or it just gets hot. It will discharge or vent gas (called thermal runway) till it catches on fire. I am actually rewraping some of mine now that got scratched. I also have one in my truck in an overpriced light (Cloud Defensive MCH) that starts very very dim now and gets brighter after a few seconds because of the cold weather.

But anyway this Elon is a supergenius right?

Tesla has done a lot of things right..

They look like AA cells, but a bit bigger. Tesla was the first to use Lithium-Ion and make them mainstream. (Toyota Prius used NiMH like your RC car or early Laptops). Elon was the money guy behind the curtain. Tesla was founded by Martin Eberhard, Marc Tarpenning and shortly thereafter Ian Wright. 6 months later when then looking for venture capital they found Elon (6.5 million) and he became the CEO. Elon was involved in the product design, But the first Roadsters were rebadged Lotus's minus the powertrain.

The ribbon above is Tesla patented cooling strip. EV use various ways to control the temp of the batteries. Nissan Leaf uses passive cooling (AIR) and it is no surprise that the Leaf's batteries do not last. When you tell a Tesla you are going to supercharge, AKA: Put large amounts of current into the batteries quickly you will hear pumps come on to warm the battery pack to get it warm for the charge. It does this while you are driving to the Supercharger station.

Elon supergenius? Not sure about that but Tesla did a lot of things right the first time out of the gate.

 

[MountainGoat]

Tesla has done a lot of things right..

They look like AA cells, but a bit bigger. Tesla was the first to use Lithium-Ion and make them mainstream. (Toyota Prius used NiMH like your RC car or early Laptops). Elon was the money guy behind the curtain. Tesla was founded by Martin Eberhard, Marc Tarpenning and shortly thereafter Ian Wright. 6 months later when then looking for venture capital they found Elon (6.5 million) and he became the CEO. Elon was involved in the product design, But the first Roadsters were rebadged Lotus's minus the powertrain.

The ribbon above is Tesla patented cooling strip. EV use various ways to control the temp of the batteries. Nissan Leaf uses passive cooling (AIR) and it is no surprise that the Leaf's batteries do not last. When you tell a Tesla you are going to supercharge, AKA: Put large amounts of current into the batteries quickly you will hear pumps come on to warm the battery pack to get it warm for the charge. It does this while you are driving to the Supercharger station.

Elon supergenius? Not sure about that but Tesla did a lot of things right the first time out of the gate.

Yep. The thing is a lot of people think Elon invented the cars and built the rockets in his spare time so when he says we should put our brains in vats and parrots WEF talking points the same people think it's a great idea.

Btw I had a Prius and was able to fix my battery for $600 because you can pull the bad cells out and replace them with new ones.

 

[Langwilliams]

Btw I had a Prius and was able to fix my battery for $600 because you can pull the bad cells out and replace them with new ones.

I don't know about repairing but I've seen where Tesla's battery monitoring system identifies failed cells and cuts them from the pack so they don't hinder performance of the rest of the cells. Guess this makes the pack last a long time.

 

[Cmar]

Blame a conservative government all you want but I bet there are major implications to not paying world market prices. I assume a liberal government that came after them hasn't reversed that rule/law. My guess is there would be sanctions and retaliatory trade actions against them if they ignored the world market.

No they did not reverse the law, could not as too many companies had signed world wide contracts based on it, they did however activate an obscure law originally on the statutes for national emergencies, to force companies to keep back at least 15% of locally produced product for local use ie power generation.
There is some truth in what you say, the belief was that by paying world price that it would stimulate local exploration and production. However the effect was not quite that, once the local price was at the world price, most of the big oil companies chose to simply import as it saved them the cost of exploration and production. Any local production that was done, went straight to export and most of the local refineries progressively shut down. 50 years ago there were operational oil refineries in all capitol cities, multiple in some. Now only a few are left.

 

[KJRR]

No they did not reverse the law, could not as too many companies had signed world wide contracts based on it, they did however activate an obscure law originally on the statutes for national emergencies, to force companies to keep back at least 15% of locally produced product for local use ie power generation.
There is some truth in what you say, the belief was that by paying world price that it would stimulate local exploration and production. However the effect was not quite that, once the local price was at the world price, most of the big oil companies chose to simply import as it saved them the cost of exploration and production. Any local production that was done, went straight to export and most of the local refineries progressively shut down. 50 years ago there were operational oil refineries in all capitol cities, multiple in some. Now only a few are left.

As is often the case, ideas put into action don't always have the intended outcome.
I'll use grocery bags as an example. Many years ago we had to save trees and banned paper bags for groceries. Disposable plastic bags were used which are now discovered to be a nuisance, littering the planet and not biodegradable. So we went to multi use plastic bags. Now they are discovering they use much more plastic than disposable bags and are piling up in people's closets and basements because you always end up getting more when you discover you have more groceries than bags or get groceries delivered in them. Oh, and paper bags are now a choice again since the big scare because germs.
We end up with more laws and mandates to fix the problems caused by previous laws.
It's all a cycle, round and round we go....
And paper bags were always reused; lining bird cages, wrapping fish for the freezer, covering books, oil changes, painting... Heck, I still save and reuse paper bags. Plastic bags, not so much, more of them than I'll ever use.

 

[MountainGoat]

I don't know about repairing but I've seen where Tesla's battery monitoring system identifies failed cells and cuts them from the pack so they don't hinder performance of the rest of the cells. Guess this makes the pack last a long time.

That Prius was 20 years old when I bought it. Gen 1, it didn't even have the aerodynamic body at that point. I drove it for 3 years before some chick in a Hyundai crashed into it. No Telsa will last 20 years except in a museum maybe.

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

As is often the case, ideas put into action don't always have the intended outcome.
I'll use grocery bags as an example. Many years ago we had to save trees and banned paper bags for groceries. Disposable plastic bags were used which are now discovered to be a nuisance, littering the planet and not biodegradable. So we went to multi use plastic bags. Now they are discovering they use much more plastic than disposable bags and are piling up in people's closets and basements because you always end up getting more when you discover you have more groceries than bags or get groceries delivered in them. Oh, and paper bags are now a choice again since the big scare because germs.
We end up with more laws and mandates to fix the problems caused by previous laws.
It's all a cycle, round and round we go....
And paper bags were always reused; lining bird cages, wrapping fish for the freezer, covering books, oil changes, painting... Heck, I still save and reuse paper bags. Plastic bags, not so much, more of them than I'll ever use.

The paper grocery bag has certainly come full circle. Back in the day, we used them to line the kitchen garbage can - had to be careful what we put in there! As the wire racks and thin plastic bags disappear, the paper bags are now back. I haven’t started lining the kitchen garbage can yet but I am doing this…

 

[9zero1790]

The paper grocery bag has certainly come full circle. Back in the day, we used them to line the kitchen garbage can - had to be careful what we put in there! As the wire racks and thin plastic bags disappear, the paper bags are now back. I haven’t started lining the kitchen garbage can yet but I am doing this…

paper bags are awesome. so many uses. free paper. i saw a an old cabin that had hundreds of paper bags as sort of an insulation layer or wall paper.
plastic bags are great for blowing around town, killing animal life and semi leak resistant for dirty huggies. ?

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