Dealer twice in 1 day, going back again

[airline tech]

I still think the problem lies on that HSCAN 2 Bus, any module or wiring along that Bus can cause this. The Modules include - GWM-Gateway Module, this module is the main brain that sees all communication between the modules, other Modules are the Front Camera Imaging Module, ABS, Power Steering Control Module, Steering Wheel Control Module, Heads Up Display. There are multiple (Joint Connectors) along the Bus as well.
So its either on the HSCAN2 (Communication Bus) or on the (Power/Ground Side of the Modules)
if it is on the Power/Ground side, the defective module is communicating via the (Com) bus that it is not powered and sending that information along the bus telling the other modules to disable due to loss of input from the defective module, this I believe is what is happening and as I stated earlier this is a needle in a haystack to find, one of the best options would be to have the scanner hooked up and monitor the (Vpwr) inputs to the modules and hopefully it will show itself at the time of your Fault Tree of Doom, there is also a Freeze Frame (Snap-Shot) on the scanner that should trigger when the fault occurred, this will show some troubleshooting information as well.

I agree with Phil, take it to another dealer that has a Avionics (Electrical Troubleshooting) strength, otherwise you are dealing (shot gun troubleshooting) Throw a Part at it and hopefully it fixes it which works most of the time, but since this involves multiple faults and multiple possibilities its going to need the entire system split apart and separated and wiring checks for each separate module It could be as simple as reseating (1) connector will fix the issues.

Another thing to do is run multiple module tests with the scanner on each module, as by your descriptions it only faults at start up and not while actually driving.
At every start, the modules perform a power up (self-test), with the scanner you can force the self-test to perform,

if this does not show any faults (As you need to pin-point what is actually creating the fault)

The Following you can do yourself to Aid and or eliminate the possible

1. Start Truck -multiple times with door closed, (Monitor Faults)
2. Open and Close - (Any Door-that gets (normally opened) on your daily routine, separately.
Start Truck Multiple times (Monitor Faults)
3. Move Steering Wheel to different positions (Clockwise/Counterclockwise) , Start Truck Multiple Times (Monitor Faults)
4. If you have a keyed ignition (jiggle key) in the switch and start multiple times (Monitor Faults)

Doing this will possibly eliminate any issues with these items, hopefully you can find a possible (Duplicate it every time I do this) the faults show up

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[JasonTremor]

My local Ford and GM dealers have one person that covers the local region. If you have electrical gremlins, that person is at a certain dealer a certain day of the week or every other week. Definitely seems like a solid job to pursue as demand for electrical diagnosis can only increase moving forward.

 

[seasprite]

I agree with others that say you need to find a good diag. tech. and not a parts changer. There is some good YouTube channels that can give you a good idea of what a good tech will be like. Pine Hollow Diagnostics is a good one and Scanner Danner is another. I can tell by Airline techs responses that he has dealt with these kind of problems and is leading you in the right direction. Check out this video for information on what a good tech will do.

 

[got3fords]

I understand your frustration, but must you keep using such words to describe your Ranger? On a Ranger forum? Where most people are very happy with their Ranger? I want to see this to the end, but you are making it hard by all the trash talk.
Has the Fucking battery ever been replaced? That's the first fucking part I would parts chase. Dammit! I don't give a fuck if they tested it and said it was good. Put a new fucking battery in and if it doesn't work, take it the fuck out!

 

[ppfd]

So for the Ranger faithful that finds it hard to believe that not every ranger is a perfect gem.

Phil - I live in rural WV, ford dealers are on average 30-50 miles apart. So just to take it to another dealer is no easy task. I need to find someone willing to follow me and pick me up and then take me back. 60 to 100 miles adds up quick.
With that, I did schedule an appointment in Akron Ohio, a 200 mile trip one way. This is my hometown and my parents will give me a ride.
So the question is, should not every ford dealer be able to repair any vehicle sold? I ask you as you have retired as an engineer?

To my friends with sensitive ears, my name for my ranger offends you? Understand my frustration for a moment here. Should I give it a silly pet name and call it he or she?
Most my comments are pure jest. I have no attachment or affection to my vehicles. They are tools to me, no more, no less. I get rid of them when I feel its time.

I really like the truck and some plans for this one.

Codes and faults? I should have posted them from the beginning.
In no particular order:

Terran Management Fault
Pre Collision Waring.
ABS light yellow light
Brake light red
Airbag warning light on the dash and on the console near the heat and air controls
Steering Fault Warning
Advance Trac Fault
Rear Belt Warning Fault
911 assistance not available on the stereo screen
See Manual
Front Camera Fault
Traction yellow light
And the yellow wrench

May or may not start with the key depending on the day. Battery was tested and found to be good.

So today's events - truck threw codes and faults as above when leaving work. I turned it off and then it would not start. Got it started.
Called the dealer I have been using, service manager said he is going to call for an engineer to come in and look at it.
Got to leave for work at 530 PM. Key in the ignition nothing, dead as hell. Tried twice, nothing, dead as Elvis.
Try the key fob, starts, put the key in and turn to run. Dies and wont start. So I have to take my GFs car to work again.

I have asked for a new battery, they won't do it. Remember way back when I posted, "we can't just go replacing parts!" Yeah no battery included.
I have presented to this dealer all the suggestions mentioned here. They have fallen on deaf ears.
I do appreciate all the suggestions, and assistance, it has been a huge help in this debacle.

 

[airline tech]

Again -highly suspect - Ignition Switch or PATS system (Passive Anti Theft) and Key Programming
Especially when you have - running then turn key to run - it dies

 

[9zero1790]

I hope they figure it out and fix it. i hate being at the mercy of dealers for stuff. i dont expect anything electronic or mechanical to be perfect, but the products should be serviced promptly. is it possible to drive to the dealer turn the truck off for a few minutes then have them go with you back to the truck and show them the problems it gives? it sounds like the dealer getting ford involved is a good sign. sorta like them saying we admit a problem exists and we are directing it to the experts to solve...

 

[got3fords]

So for the Ranger faithful that finds it hard to believe that not every ranger is a perfect gem.

I don't think that is the case. I for one am just tired of the trash talk.

 

[Rp930]

I don't think that is the case. I for one am just tired of the trash talk.

I agree. OP is not one for taking advice. Since he has never contacted Ford or properly notified them of his intent to invoke Lemon Law, they will still have the option for a final repair attempt. And again he needs to sign and get a repair order EVERY time it’s in for a repair even if they are “only” checking codes.

I would add, social media will mean nothing to Ford. They will stick to the facts.

 

[Superspirit]

I don't think that is the case. I for one am just tired of the trash talk.

That is the case! I see it alot on here. Makes the ignore list grow as those people aren't capable of intelligent discussion.

 

[seasprite]

So for the Ranger faithful that finds it hard to believe that not every ranger is a perfect gem.

Phil - I live in rural WV, ford dealers are on average 30-50 miles apart. So just to take it to another dealer is no easy task. I need to find someone willing to follow me and pick me up and then take me back. 60 to 100 miles adds up quick.
With that, I did schedule an appointment in Akron Ohio, a 200 mile trip one way. This is my hometown and my parents will give me a ride.
So the question is, should not every ford dealer be able to repair any vehicle sold? I ask you as you have retired as an engineer?

To my friends with sensitive ears, my name for my ranger offends you? Understand my frustration for a moment here. Should I give it a silly pet name and call it he or she?
Most my comments are pure jest. I have no attachment or affection to my vehicles. They are tools to me, no more, no less. I get rid of them when I feel its time.

I really like the truck and some plans for this one.

Codes and faults? I should have posted them from the beginning.
In no particular order:

Terran Management Fault
Pre Collision Waring.
ABS light yellow light
Brake light red
Airbag warning light on the dash and on the console near the heat and air controls
Steering Fault Warning
Advance Trac Fault
Rear Belt Warning Fault
911 assistance not available on the stereo screen
See Manual
Front Camera Fault
Traction yellow light
And the yellow wrench

May or may not start with the key depending on the day. Battery was tested and found to be good.

So today's events - truck threw codes and faults as above when leaving work. I turned it off and then it would not start. Got it started.
Called the dealer I have been using, service manager said he is going to call for an engineer to come in and look at it.
Got to leave for work at 530 PM. Key in the ignition nothing, dead as hell. Tried twice, nothing, dead as Elvis.
Try the key fob, starts, put the key in and turn to run. Dies and wont start. So I have to take my GFs car to work again.

I have asked for a new battery, they won't do it. Remember way back when I posted, "we can't just go replacing parts!" Yeah no battery included.
I have presented to this dealer all the suggestions mentioned here. They have fallen on deaf ears.
I do appreciate all the suggestions, and assistance, it has been a huge help in this debacle.

Do you have the code numbers like P codes or U codes?

 

[ppfd]

I do have code numbers. I’ll post the sheets up the dealer gave me.

In contact with ford this morning. Attorney advised me to not mention lemon law. He will handle that. I stated what the situation was and was has been done so far.

Trash talk? LoL I’m paying for this truck, I can say what I want about it.
So far no mod has told me I am out of line.

Paperwork, that’s the weird part, half the time they have produced none. I’m sure they are billing ford for each time it’s in the garage. I have asked each time when there was no repair papers and was told they didn’t have any.

I want them to actually repair the damn thing.

 

[Rp930]

I do have code numbers. I’ll post the sheets up the dealer gave me.

In contact with ford this morning. Attorney advised me to not mention lemon law. He will handle that. I stated what the situation was and was has been done so far.

Trash talk? LoL I’m paying for this truck, I can say what I want about it.
So far no mod has told me I am out of line.

Paperwork, that’s the weird part, half the time they have produced none. I’m sure they are billing ford for each time it’s in the garage. I have asked each time when there was no repair papers and was told they didn’t have any.

I want them to actually repair the damn thing.

They didn’t write a repair order because they didn’t fix anything. Without fixing anything they can’t get paid. They are trying to avoid Lemon Law. It is a hassle for them. It’s a bad practice. When they don’t have a signed repair order they don’t have your permission to work on the vehicle and all liability is on them.

You should ask for a repair order every time they work on it. It’s YOUR record too.

 

[ppfd]

Truck. Is still dead, getting towed to the dealer in the morning
Codes as requested

 

[seasprite]

Looks something is pulling down the high speed 1 and 2 networks. Do you have any after market wiring installed? If yes what did you tap into for power? It doesn't take much to mess with the network.

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