Tacoma is not so reliable as folks think

[r1ch999999]

I had a quote of $500 to repair the seats in my Fusion

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[commbubba19]

The only thing you have to judge quality on... is previous quality history. Well, unless your psychic...

because it’s a different generation of vehicle with completely different manufacturing standards and technology.

anyone buying a vehicle based on their experience with a manufacturer 20 years ago will be disappointed. Toyota or anyone else.

 

[Colo_Ranger]

I watched a video comparing the Tremor to the TRD Pro. I used to be a Toyota fan. I've had x2 1985 4Runners and they were a beast offroad, but sucked on road (they were also 20+ years old when I owned them). Anyway, the Ranger outperformed the Tacoma in every way except the slow crawl. The guy at the end said "The Tremor was better in every way, but I'd still buy the Tacoma." He couldn't actually tell the viewer why.

I don't discriminate. Drive your rig, wheel your rig, enjoy YOUR rig. I will do the same with mine. The Ranger came after deliberating for *literal* years. I've been bugging my wife with truck talk since we met, 5 years ago. I've looked at the Tacoma, Ranger, and Colorado. In the end, I liked the Ranger the best. That doesn't mean I hate on other platforms. People get so crazy about 'what I drive is so much better than what you drive'. Just enjoy the experience, isn't that why we got into it? Also, 'people' refers to Tacoma owners mostly.

 

[HenryMac]

because it’s a different generation of vehicle with completely different manufacturing standards and technology.

anyone buying a vehicle based on their experience with a manufacturer 20 years ago will be disappointed. Toyota or anyone else.

Could you be more wrong? Pretty sure you couldn't.

Quality is a mindset, a way of doing business, something instilled into the work force and a top down driven thing.

Toyota has proven that they are a quality oriented company.

Ford.. well... they sent out some 2019 Rangers without seam sealer on the doors. They didn't tell the dealers to install the seam sealer... "What should we do now boss?" "Uhm.. Just Ship Them". Is that a "quality oriented company"? I understand that things happen n the assembly line. How you correct those issues reflects on your true character as a company. Stuff like that makes one wonder what else has been done, that you can't see?

 

[AzScorpion]

Could you be more wrong? Pretty sure you couldn't.

Quality is a mindset, a way of doing business, something instilled into the work force and a top down driven thing.

Toyota has proven that they are were a quality oriented company.

Ford.. well... they sent out some 2019 Rangers without seam sealer on the doors. They didn't tell the dealers to install the seam sealer... "What should we do now boss?" "Uhm.. Just Ship Them". Is that a "quality oriented company"? I understand that things happen n the assembly line. How you correct those issues reflects on your true character as a company. Stuff like that makes one wonder what else has been done, that you can't see?

So Ford is not a quality company because of a few Rangers get sent out without seam sealer. I guess Toyota gets a pass with having THOUSANDS of frames rusted and recalled ?

Stuff like that makes one wonder what else has been done, that you can't see?

 

[tfisher15]

Could you be more wrong? Pretty sure you couldn't.

Quality is a mindset, a way of doing business, something instilled into the work force and a top down driven thing.

Toyota has proven that they are a quality oriented company.

Ford.. well... they sent out some 2019 Rangers without seam sealer on the doors. They didn't tell the dealers to install the seam sealer... "What should we do now boss?" "Uhm.. Just Ship Them". Is that a "quality oriented company"? I understand that things happen n the assembly line. How you correct those issues reflects on your true character as a company. Stuff like that makes one wonder what else has been done, that you can't see?

Not arguing the Toyota quality issue. But, mindsets change and management changes. Public companies sometimes put short term shareholder equity ahead of long term growth, quality, and reputation. It happened at the company I worked at for 27 years. Always check the latest information before assuming all things are good.

 

[HenryMac]

So Ford is not a quality company because of a few Rangers get sent out without seam sealer. I guess Toyota gets a pass with having THOUSANDS of frames rusted and recalled ?

Stuff like that makes one wonder what else has been done, that you can't see?

These threads always evolve into a shit show... because some folks are so brand loyal they wear blinders.

I never said Ford wasn't a quality company... but I did say "How you correct those issues reflects on your true character as a company."

If you can't admit that Ford screwed over those folks that didn't get seam sealer on their "New" Rangers", your covid mask may have done damage to your brain.

 

[Johnv1991]

Didn’t a bunch of Tacoma’s need frames replaced?

 

[HenryMac]

Not arguing the Toyota quality issue. But, mindsets change and management changes. Public companies sometimes put short term shareholder equity ahead of long term growth, quality, and reputation. It happened at the company I worked at for 27 years. Always check the latest information before assuming all things are good.

Totally agree. I owned Tacoma's for 19 years before I bought my 2019 Ranger...

 

[AzScorpion]

Didn’t a bunch of Tacoma’s need frames replaced?

Yes but apparently seam sealer is a bigger issue.

 

[FX4Offroad]

Yes but apparently seam sealer is a bigger issue.

Lets just ignore the rusted frame replacement issue. After all, its a Toyota.

I see the Toyota fanboys all over. I have a friend - Toyota lover all his life. He's had several Tacoma's and raves about them. He fails to mention the many replacements of U-Joints (yes, MANY), wheel bearings, paint peeling, rust and so on. He feels that because he does the repairs himself, and doesn't go to the dealer or other shop, there's not really a problem. He puts way over 100,000 miles on them but also spends lots of money and time in constant repairs.

I don't mind that he rags on my 2019 Ranger for all the issues I've had (not ONE issue, by the way) because facts are facts.

After all, it IS a Toyota.

Jump on me for what I've seen if you want. Facts ARE facts.

Edit - add: I DO like comparing my higher tow ratings and MUCH BETTER gas mileage to his. Same exact trips, I consistently get 5 mpgs better. Facts are still facts.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

IMO the biggest actual difference in reliability is the nearly indestructible 4-cyl workhorse diesels which Toyota has always offered to the rest of the world. With no emissions crap and minimal maintenance, a 4 cyl diesel will run forever and that's where Toyota reliability reputation was built 30-50 years ago.

That doesn't mean Joe-yota down the street with his 20 Taco has any factual reliability claim over my 20 Ranger, now or likely in 5, 10 or 20 years. Assuming both get comparable maintenance, I'd wager both will serve their duties equally well. He's parroting MSM and other hype, and more often than not can't begin to explain the benefits that rear drum brakes offer, or any other 'reliability' benefit of Toyota.

 

[AzScorpion]

These threads always evolve into a shit show... because some folks are so brand loyal they wear blinders.

I never said Ford wasn't a quality company... but I did say "How you correct those issues reflects on your true character as a company."

If you can't admit that Ford screwed over those folks that didn't get seam sealer on their "New" Rangers", your covid mask may have done damage to your brain.

Wow, so now I have brain damage. How nice of you to say that about me! As far as brand loyalty sure I love Ford and have mostly driven them throughout the years. The 3rd gen Tacoma was the biggest POS I've ever owned and the way Toyota corporate handled my problems has soured me from ever owning another one of their products.

I slightly remember the seam sealer problem and admittedly don't remember what Ford did or said which sounds like they did nothing. But to say Toyota is a quality company is only basing this on past and I mean way back past vehicles. There are still 3rd gen Tacomas having frame rust issues. Talk about screwing over you fan boy base!

 

[Dr. Zaius]

So Ford is not a quality company because of a few Rangers get sent out without seam sealer. I guess Toyota gets a pass with having THOUSANDS of frames rusted and recalled ?

Stuff like that makes one wonder what else has been done, that you can't see?

Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! Mine has seam sealer!!!

I remember a while back on TW when a user posted that his differential had locked up while driving down the highway.

You would've thought he was a vampire and every 3rd gen member on the board had their cross to flash at him.

The White Knights rode out in force to counter this heresay against Toyota quality and demanded everything from GPS coordinates to satellite photos of where it happened (some members literally went to where he said it happened to look for skid marks from the seized differential).

He was branded a troll and worse, eventually leaving the site.

Lo and behold, 2 weeks later Toyota issues a massive recall on the TRD Off Road model rear differential because it could leak and possibly (Gasp!) seize up while driving.

Almost every member with an Off Road model looked and found their rear axle leaking.

Some found out the hard way when they took their truck in for routine maintenance, only to be told that their vehicle was unsafe to drive and they could not leave with it until Toyota provided a resolution.

While the Tacoma has built a reputation for reliability, the 2016 and up versions are not cut from the same cloth.

The 3rd gen was shepherded by Mike Sweers who came over from Chrysler, and we all know that Chrysler is the paradigm of reliability and engineering that all car makers strive toward.

Edit: It's rumored that if you mention his name on TW you'll get banned.

I would say that you could go and lookup the thread on the rear axle because it was BIG, but it's probably locked and buried just like the thread on engines spitting pistons out the side of the block.

 

[AzScorpion]

Jets just ignore the rusted frame replacement issue. After all, its a Toyota.

Lol see my post #36. Which would you rather have that or some seam sealer missing?

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