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Should be less that 2% and lower is better.
I agree completely that lower is better, and 0% is ideal. However, what is the justification for 2% being the cutoff for max tolerable amount of fuel? I know that's the cutoff that Blackstone uses for whether to flag it, but that seems to be an arbitrary number that they use for all vehicles.
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I agree completely that lower is better, and 0% is ideal. However, what is the justification for 2% being the cutoff for max tolerable amount of fuel? I know that's the cutoff that Blackstone uses for whether to flag it, but that seems to be an arbitrary number that they use for all vehicles.
You may be right about 2% being an arbitrary number for Blackstone and truthfully that is the reason I used it.

ETA: I found this Amsoil article that puts the limit at 2.4% for gas engines.
https://blog.amsoil.com/what-is-fuel-dilution-and-why-is-it-bad/

I also found an RSA article on Oil Analysis Tables that lists 1.5% as the caution level and 5% as critical. It is on the last table in the article.
https://www.rsareliability.com/Oil Analysis Tables.pdf
 
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You may be right about 2% being an arbitrary number for Blackstone and truthfully that is the reason I used it.

ETA: I found this Amsoil article that puts the limit at 2.4% for gas engines.
https://blog.amsoil.com/what-is-fuel-dilution-and-why-is-it-bad/

I also found an RSA article on Oil Analysis Tables that lists 1.5% as the caution level and 5% as critical. It is on the last table in the article.
https://www.rsareliability.com/Oil Analysis Tables.pdf
Many thanks for these links!

I'm a little skeptical of the Amsoil article since not only do they not specify how they came up with the 2.4% limit, but they basically say "over 2.4% is bad and the solution is to buy our products!" Maybe I'm being unfairly cynical.

The RSA recommendation should be more impartial, though that's a pretty old (2003) document and engines have changed quite a bit since then.

Nonetheless, it's interesting to see that the various recommendations generally cluster somewhere in the neighborhood of 2%. This makes me think there is some basis (hopefully more than dead reckoning) for this being a reasonable limit.

The flash point numbers in the RSA document are interesting. I'm surprised to see how much they can differ for the different oils of the same grade. This caught my eye because Blackstone calculates the fuel dilution from the reduction in flashpoint, and a variable baseline flashpoint could really throw off their calculation.
 


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My oil problem has resolved itself..Latest BlackStone less than 0.5 % dilution.
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Doc, did you have your dealer replace injectors or HPFP? How many miles on your Ranger?

I have just under 3800 miles on mine and I’m hoping my oil level stops rising (when towing) after getting some more miles on it.
 

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Doc, did you have your dealer replace injectors or HPFP? How many miles on your Ranger?

I have just under 3800 miles on mine and I’m hoping my oil level stops rising (when towing) after getting some more miles on it.
No, it self adjusted, I run it hard, sport mode only, I assume the rings are just making a better seal, I’m @ 7000 miles now. It’s not my Daily Driver.


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Doc, did you have your dealer replace injectors or HPFP? How many miles on your Ranger?

I have just under 3800 miles on mine and I’m hoping my oil level stops rising (when towing) after getting some more miles on it.
My truck is the opposite. the first 11.000+ miles, the oil level never went up, not even a little bit. After that, the flood gates opened.
 

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What's the latest on your truck?
After replacing the injectors a 2nd time, my oil level was creeping up every day and was 1/4in above the max hole after 300 miles (about a week). At that time I tried contacting Ford Customer service, but my rep has gone missing in action. For the past week and a half, I have left her several voicemails and a couple emails to call me back, so far no reply. In the meantime the level continues to rise and at 600 miles, the oil should be changed again as it is at the level that came back at 12% & 13% fuel dilution in past samples. I spoke to the dealership and they do not know what else to do, short of an engine replacement (their words). So I called Ford Customer care and spoke to a supervisor. I said I think my rep is on vacation, but they told me that was not the case and that they would have the rep call me soon? So I am waiting to hear from Ford as what to do next.
I'm baffled, the compression check was within spec, the leak down test was within spec, the HPFP was replaced and injectors have been replaced twice. There really is nothing else left to explain this? I believe they would have replaced the HPFP a 2nd time, but parts are not available until November? It may be buy back time? If so, I will push for a replacement. Oh yeah, I have an appointment after work tomorrow for the AC that has not worked since the dealership swapped the injectors and HPFP the first time back in May. It's odd, blows ice cold when its below 65 degrees, and gets worse after that and by 75 degrees outside, it is not cold at all. I have not seen condensation drip beneath my truck all summer long, used to see a river under there. It's nuts that it hasn't bothered me more, but I was more focused on the fuel contamination issue getting fixed.
 

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After replacing the injectors a 2nd time, my oil level was creeping up every day and was 1/4in above the max hole after 300 miles (about a week). At that time I tried contacting Ford Customer service, but my rep has gone missing in action. For the past week and a half, I have left her several voicemails and a couple emails to call me back, so far no reply. In the meantime the level continues to rise and at 600 miles, the oil should be changed again as it is at the level that came back at 12% & 13% fuel dilution in past samples. I spoke to the dealership and they do not know what else to do, short of an engine replacement (their words). So I called Ford Customer care and spoke to a supervisor. I said I think my rep is on vacation, but they told me that was not the case and that they would have the rep call me soon? So I am waiting to hear from Ford as what to do next.
I'm baffled, the compression check was within spec, the leak down test was within spec, the HPFP was replaced and injectors have been replaced twice. There really is nothing else left to explain this? I believe they would have replaced the HPFP a 2nd time, but parts are not available until November? It may be buy back time? If so, I will push for a replacement. Oh yeah, I have an appointment after work tomorrow for the AC that has not worked since the dealership swapped the injectors and HPFP the first time back in May. It's odd, blows ice cold when its below 65 degrees, and gets worse after that and by 75 degrees outside, it is not cold at all. I have not seen condensation drip beneath my truck all summer long, used to see a river under there. It's nuts that it hasn't bothered me more, but I was more focused on the fuel contamination issue getting fixed.
I'm getting ready to send an oil sample off, have a little over 400 miles on the oil change and it has risen to just at the top of the upper hole. I tried to tell my dealer were I thought my fuel dilution was, wouldn't take my word for it but said they would except test results. I've dealt with it long enough now I can perrty much tell how much fuel dilution I have. I will give him test results and recommend they change my injectors which has not been done yet. Hopefully in my case that fixes it or I will be in the same boat as you. Hope your case turns out the best for you, we shouldn't have to deal with this after spending the amount of money these trucks cost!!
 

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After replacing the injectors a 2nd time, my oil level was creeping up every day and was 1/4in above the max hole after 300 miles (about a week). At that time I tried contacting Ford Customer service, but my rep has gone missing in action. For the past week and a half, I have left her several voicemails and a couple emails to call me back, so far no reply. In the meantime the level continues to rise and at 600 miles, the oil should be changed again as it is at the level that came back at 12% & 13% fuel dilution in past samples. I spoke to the dealership and they do not know what else to do, short of an engine replacement (their words). So I called Ford Customer care and spoke to a supervisor. I said I think my rep is on vacation, but they told me that was not the case and that they would have the rep call me soon? So I am waiting to hear from Ford as what to do next.
I'm baffled, the compression check was within spec, the leak down test was within spec, the HPFP was replaced and injectors have been replaced twice. There really is nothing else left to explain this? I believe they would have replaced the HPFP a 2nd time, but parts are not available until November? It may be buy back time? If so, I will push for a replacement. Oh yeah, I have an appointment after work tomorrow for the AC that has not worked since the dealership swapped the injectors and HPFP the first time back in May. It's odd, blows ice cold when its below 65 degrees, and gets worse after that and by 75 degrees outside, it is not cold at all. I have not seen condensation drip beneath my truck all summer long, used to see a river under there. It's nuts that it hasn't bothered me more, but I was more focused on the fuel contamination issue getting fixed.
That's just odd. It's not like these engines haven't been around awhile and are used in a lot of Ford's vehicles. You would think the bugs should be worked out by now.
 
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No, it self adjusted, I run it hard, sport mode only, I assume the rings are just making a better seal, I’m @ 7000 miles now. It’s not my Daily Driver.


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I’m hoping my Ranger improves like yours after some more miles. Thanks.
 

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I just dropped my Ranger off today to have this looked at. Less than 5000 Miles and have been keeping an eye on the oil for the last 6 months. Level is up and smells like fuel. Service manager hadn't heard of the issue yet so I had to explain the whole scenario to him. It will be interesting to see what they come back with.

Wish me luck.

I have been following this thread and others, but have not read every single reply. Has anyone successfully had this issue resolved ?
 

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I just dropped my Ranger off today to have this looked at. Less than 5000 Miles and have been keeping an eye on the oil for the last 6 months. Level is up and smells like fuel. Service manager hadn't heard of the issue yet so I had to explain the whole scenario to him. It will be interesting to see what they come back with.

Wish me luck.

I have been following this thread and others, but have not read every single reply. Has anyone successfully had this issue resolved ?
It seems most people have had this issue resolved with injectors or HPFP replacement, or both. I have been dealing with this issue for the past 6 months without resolve, but I believe my truck is an outlier and not the norm. I certainly do not believe it is a widespread issue, but if your truck is affected, it definitely takes the fun out of ownership. I believe some fuel contamination is the nature of the beast with DI and I wouldn't get too worried just by the smell. Now if your oil level gets well above the max mark (top hole), then I would start to be concerned. For reference, if it is halfway from the max to the twist, I would estimate 6-10% dilution, closer to the twist I had 2 samples that came back 12% and 13%. I wish the dealer would have taken a sample when it was mid twist, I am sure that would have been close to 20%? If your oil level is near the max mark, either way, I wouldn't even worry, but I would continue to check it daily.
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