I'm Alive But Still Got A Long Way To Go ...Poll

[TechnicallyReal]

Throughout the last year I kept hearing about hospital occupancy numbers.

Funny thing is that they'd always report current levels, without citing normal levels.

"So and so hospital is operating at 105% capacity!"

Sounds scary if you don't know they normally operate at 98% capacity.

Up here we're able to see capacity on any given day and this has not been the case.

Canadian hospitals have been over-run for decades with diabetics, alcoholics, smokers, and druggies. Ironically all these vices have been made essential services to continue the addictions, while otherwise healthy people are not allowed to go to the gym.

Even with no masks and no lock-downs, Covid wouldn't come close to killing as many as alcohol and fat each year, never mind that after Covid is gone the hospitals will still be as over-run with these problems, and the alcohol killing spree will still be ignored.

Booking months or years in advance for actual needed surgeries, but a whole wing on liver and kidney treatments for alcohol abuse.

Not sure I'm following but I do agree that if the same rate of alcohol-related issues landed people in the ICU every day then it would cause the same issue that COVID is with regard to hospitals, doctors, and nurses.

"And more dangerous" source?

Everything I read says 4th wave/Delta is lower hospitalization and lower fatality.

Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC

Sponsored

 

[D Fresh]

Up here we're able to see capacity on any given day and this has not been the case.

Were you paying attention to hospital capacity numbers before Covid?

Few were.

I don't know where in Canada you are. But 30 seconds on Google found this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5339511

I'm just a milkman, but I think Toronto is in Canada.

From the article, published Oct '19.

"We do know that many hospitals across the province of Ontario are operating at more than 100 per cent capacity. But this is nothing new. This has been happening for a number of years," she said in response to Horwath's questioning."

 

[TechnicallyReal]

Were you paying attention to hospital capacity numbers before Covid?

Few were.

I don't know where in Canada you are. But 30 seconds on Google found this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5339511

I'm just a milkman, but I think Toronto is in Canada.

Yep that's been an issue at certain hospitals for sure. That doesn't represent all hospitals in Canada or even Toronto area, though.

Without getting into a pissing contest let me just say that my wife has major health issues and my daughter is inherited some of them. We spend a lot of time in and around hospitals. We've spent countless hours surrounded by empty chairs in hospitals. This is anecdotal, of course, so take it with a grain of salt. At the height of things we were keeping an eye on the numbers and they weren't just the "current" numbers. Not to mention it doesn't matter. If you're trying to say that COVID isn't a really problem because they just need more room for people.. that's quite frankly a little fucked up.

All that being said, I don't know why I keep allowing myself to be lured into these conversations. I doubt anyone really cares, and it's a stressful topic for me, so I think I'm going to add this to the ole ignore-list.

 

[FoD]

can't wait until i am above life expectancy and they just push my wheelchair out back and let me die because we dont matter anymore.

Aren't you Canadian and in Canada some place?

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

Not sure I'm following but I do agree that if the same rate of alcohol-related issues landed people in the ICU every day then it would cause the same issue that COVID is with regard to hospitals, doctors, and nurses.

Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC

CDC "facts" have been absolutely useless throughout Covid and a major reason why so many are questioning the narrative.

CDC:
-No masks!
-Masks
-Vaccine will make everyone safe
-Faucci 2 masks is better than 1


-On July 27, 2021, CDC released updated guidance on the need for urgently increasing COVID-19 vaccination coverage and a recommendation for everyone in areas of substantial or high transmission to wear a mask in public indoor places, even if they are fully vaccinated.

How can you possibly believe anything they claim to know. They have flip-flopped on every issue multiple times. Maybe they are right, but as with everything, they spread the worst headline available until their is proof it's just gaslighting, then they move on to the next unstaked fear porn head-line.

And Faucci...... argh

The Delta variant didn't do too bad in India? India, a stone's throw from the source of Covid. More people live in slums with no plumbing at all, than there are Americans. They have no masks, no distancing, no alchol hand wash every 5 feet, and it was 2021 before they had any major outbreak, which was brief. Curious.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

Up here we're able to see capacity on any given day and this has not been the case.


Not sure I'm following but I do agree that if the same rate of alcohol-related issues landed people in the ICU every day then it would cause the same issue that COVID is with regard to hospitals, doctors, and nurses.



Delta Variant: What We Know About the Science | CDC

Also from your CDC link

Second, new data began to emerge that the Delta variant was more infectious and was leading to increased transmissibility when compared to other variants, even in vaccinated individuals. This includes recently published data from CDC and our public health partners, unpublished surveillance data that will be publicly available in the coming weeks, information included in CDC’s updated Science Brief on COVID-19 Vaccines and Vaccination, and ongoing outbreak investigations linked to the Delta variant.


Delta is currently the predominant strain of the virus in the United States. Below is a high-level summary of what CDC scientists have recently learned about the Delta variant. More information will be made available when more data are published or released in other formats.

Infections and Spread

The Delta variant causes more infections and spreads faster than early forms of SARS-CoV-2

• The Delta variant is more contagious: The Delta variant is highly contagious, more than 2x as contagious as previous variants.
• Some data suggest the Delta variant might cause more severe illness than previous strains in unvaccinated persons. In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus strains.
• Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: Although breakthrough infections happen much less often than infections in unvaccinated people, individuals infected with the Delta variant, including fully vaccinated people with symptomatic breakthrough infections, can transmit it to others. CDC is continuing to assess data on whether fully vaccinated people with asymptomatic breakthrough infections can transmit. However, the greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to contract, and therefore transmit the virus.
• Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to be infectious for a shorter period: Previous variants typically produced less virus in the body of infected fully vaccinated people (breakthrough infections) than in unvaccinated people. In contrast, the Delta variant seems to produce the same high amount of virus in both unvaccinated and fully vaccinated people. However, like other variants, the amount of virus produced by Delta breakthrough infections in fully vaccinated people also goes down faster than infections in unvaccinated people. This means fully vaccinated people are likely infectious for less time than unvaccinated people.

"Some data suggest delta may cause more severe illness" equates to you claiming Delta IS MORE DANGEROUS.

You must work for CBC or CNN.

 

[FoD]

Jay (@JACKSMYDOG), you're not suggesting this is a form of economic warfare using a bioagent are you...

 

[TechnicallyReal]

CDC "facts" have been absolutely useless throughout Covid and a major reason why so many are questioning the narrative.

CDC:
-No masks!
-Masks
-Vaccine will make everyone safe
-Faucci 2 masks is better than 1


-On July 27, 2021, CDC released updated guidance on the need for urgently increasing COVID-19 vaccination coverage and a recommendation for everyone in areas of substantial or high transmission to wear a mask in public indoor places, even if they are fully vaccinated.

How can you possibly believe anything they claim to know. They have flip-flopped on every issue multiple times. Maybe they are right, but as with everything, they spread the worst headline available until their is proof it's just gaslighting, then they move on to the next unstaked fear porn head-line.

And Faucci...... argh

The Delta variant didn't do too bad in India? India, a stone's throw from the source of Covid. More people live in slums with no plumbing at all, than there are Americans. They have no masks, no distancing, no alchol hand wash every 5 feet, and it was 2021 before they had any major outbreak, which was brief. Curious.

The CDC isn't the actual source there. They're deferring to a Canadian study and an Scottish study (and for all we know those studies could be bullshit, but I don't expect that to be the case).

About India - For all we know it ran rampant there for a long time and they didn't report on it. Last thing I heard is that they're calling the situation there an "unparalleled pandemic catastrophe".

 

[MountainGoat]

CDC "facts" have been absolutely useless throughout Covid and a major reason why so many are questioning the narrative.

CDC:
-No masks!
-Masks
-Vaccine will make everyone safe
-Faucci 2 masks is better than 1


-On July 27, 2021, CDC released updated guidance on the need for urgently increasing COVID-19 vaccination coverage and a recommendation for everyone in areas of substantial or high transmission to wear a mask in public indoor places, even if they are fully vaccinated.

How can you possibly believe anything they claim to know. They have flip-flopped on every issue multiple times. Maybe they are right, but as with everything, they spread the worst headline available until their is proof it's just gaslighting, then they move on to the next unstaked fear porn head-line.

And Faucci...... argh

The Delta variant didn't do too bad in India? India, a stone's throw from the source of Covid. More people live in slums with no plumbing at all, than there are Americans. They have no masks, no distancing, no alchol hand wash every 5 feet, and it was 2021 before they had any major outbreak, which was brief. Curious.

Ivermectin is popular in India just based on parasites in all the food. They gave it a shot since it was plentiful and cheap and it worked out for them.

 

[TechnicallyReal]

Also from your CDC link



"Some data suggest delta may cause more severe illness" equates to you claiming Delta IS MORE DANGEROUS.

You must work for CBC or CNN.

You missed the very next line:
"In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus strains."

You must work for CBC or CNN.

Childish.

 

[wanted33]

my dad died at 69...i'd be surprised if i made it to 80. i apologise in advance if i manage to last that long, i am sure i'm be a real cranky SOB at that age.

Oh my God, worse than now.......

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

You missed the very next line:
"In two different studies from Canada and Scotland, patients infected with the Delta variant were more likely to be hospitalized than patients infected with Alpha or the original virus strains."



Childish.

And that next line does not support your claim either.

 

[TechnicallyReal]

And that next line does not support your claim either.

More likely to land in the hospital isn't more dangerous to you? Alrighty then.

Anyway I'm out. No point in arguing with people who have their minds set anywya.

 

[JACKSMYDOG]

More likely to land in the hospital isn't more dangerous to you? Alrighty then.

Anyway I'm out. No point in arguing with people who have their minds set anywya.

Yes ignore the conversation and get back to your CBC echo box.

 

[D Fresh]

Not to mention it doesn't matter. If you're trying to say that COVID isn't a really problem because they just need more room for people.. that's quite frankly a little fucked up.

Apparently you've made up your mind so much that you haven't even read my posts.

Of course that's not my point.

My point is this.

Lack of information, dis-information, politicization of a "health issue," in-fighting, and bickering has been the hallmark of this epidemic.

From jump the whole thing was politicized, and the so-called "experts" have contradicted each other, and themselves.

The fact that some people feel it's their duty to shame people for their own personal medical decisions is what's truly amazing here.

It's been almost 2 years straight of political theater. On both sides. Frankly, I'm sick of it. I've had Covid twice now, my natural antibodies seem to cover me for about 18 months. Best I can tell that's as good or better than the vaccine.

Everybody just needs to quit bitching, get the Vax or don't, and move on.

The lasting economic effects on the worldwide economy will kill far more people than Covid by the time this shit show is over.

Again, to sum it up. Sure, it's a problem. Is it the end of the world? Probably not. All signs point to it being extremely manageable. Deal with and move on like adults.

Sponsored