Fuel in oil

[JKocot]

Probably too short to notice an improvement but have you had a chance to check your oil level?

Yes. Unfortunately the level was at the top of the max hole. I checked it again a few minutes ago after being home for a little over two hours and oil at the top hole on the dipstick.

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[JKocot]

That goes back to a question I was wondering: what's the best way to check oil level?
There were a few methods on this thread;nthe manual doesn't specify whether the vehicle should have been running recently, just that it should have been shut off for >10 mins.

Has anyone checked oil after leaving the car sitting for days? If so, has the oil level increased or stayed the same from these top-hole readings?

Here's what it says in my 2020 manual:

 

[JKocot]

Can someone please quickly summarize the severity of this issue for me?

Oil Dilution was a huge issue with the 5th gen CR-V, when it appeared with the 1.5l turbo in 2017. Honda was blowing it off as "normal" for direct injection engines. However, some people had it so bad that they were pulling out almost 6 qts of oil/gas when doing oil changes. It only takes 3.7 qts, so not a little problem. Honda finally came out with a TSB that addressed it, but originally only for colder areas. I believe they finally opened it up to everyone. The fix has pretty much mitigated the issue, or something was done behind the scenes during production of newer model years. The OD issue was the main reason we bought my wife a CX-5 Signature in 2019.

So, is what's happening here affect just a minority who are in cold climates with short commutes? Or, is it a larger issue that follows no apparent pattern? Also, from following the CR-V issue, I know Blackstone is not the best place to send your oil for monitoring it, due to the method they use.

Is there a thread on here specific to oil analysis results?

Thanks, sorry for being a Noob!

I think it is all over the place. I live in Virginia, not up North. My commute to work one way is about 28 miles. So 56 miles round trip. Sometimes I go out to lunch and put maybe 5-7 miles on it. Weekends I drive 15-60 miles depending on what I do.

 

[Samsquanch]

Yes. Unfortunately the level was at the top of the max hole. I checked it again a few minutes ago after being home for a little over two hours and oil at the top hole on the dipstick.

That’s bizarre and kinda points to the issue not being the injectors.

 

[JKocot]

That’s bizarre and kinda points to the issue not being the injectors.

Yea I agree. I am not a mechanic but i have to assume there are only so many ways fuel can get into oil. Injectors, HPFP, ???

Has anyone on the forum had this issue repaired successfully? I know some have had injectors (like me) replaced as well as the HPFP. I really don't want to speculate and add to conspiracy theories, but I have to believe there can only be a few variables that can cause this. Unless the injectors they replaced my original injectors with are also faulty.

 

[Ranger Chaser]

Yea I agree. I am not a mechanic but i have to assume there are only so many ways fuel can get into oil. Injectors, HPFP, ???

Has anyone on the forum had this issue repaired successfully? I know some have had injectors (like me) replaced as well as the HPFP. I really don't want to speculate and add to conspiracy theories, but I have to believe there can only be a few variables that can cause this. Unless the injectors they replaced my original injectors with are also faulty.

The OP, page 89, post 1325

 

[JKocot]

The OP, page 89, post 1325

Thanks. So one person so far. Looks like new injectors fixed it for him.

 

[WhyNot21]

I think it is all over the place. I live in Virginia, not up North. My commute to work one way is about 28 miles. So 56 miles round trip. Sometimes I go out to lunch and put maybe 5-7 miles on it. Weekends I drive 15-60 miles depending on what I do.

Thank you for replying and not just telling me to "search" the forum. Your issue is similar to some that I've heard from 1.5l CR-V owners. Your commute is not contributing to the problem, as I'm sure you know. At least you have a dealer willing to try. That's rare in the Honda world.

Has Ford acknowledged the issue exists? Besides Honda, Mazda issued a statement when they switched to DI, but never had the fallout like with the CR-V and even the Civic.

Good luck and I hope you get a resolution soon!

 

[JKocot]

Thank you for replying and not just telling me to "search" the forum. Your issue is similar to some that I've heard from 1.5l CR-V owners. Your commute is not contributing to the problem, as I'm sure you know. At least you have a dealer willing to try. That's rare in the Honda world.

Has Ford acknowledged the issue exists? Besides Honda, Mazda issued a statement when they switched to DI, but never had the fallout like with the CR-V and even the Civic.

Good luck and I hope you get a resolution soon!

Thanks, I don't know if Ford has acknowledged the problem. Yes I am lucky, at the moment, that my dealer is trying. This forum is 110 pages now, and lots of people seem to have different results with their dealers in regards to troubleshooting, fixing, etc.

 

[Langwilliams]

I think Ford is trying to avoid officially acknowledging the problem because if they do the requests for buybacks an replacement engines will pour in. I think ford should replace the engines on the ones they can't fix, or at least for the worse case engines. They would probably have to establish a threshold of it going beyond the max level within 10K miles.

The severity seems to vary too. Some have major increase in crankcase volume in a few hundred miles, some a few thousand miles. Extending the engine warranty to 100K for internal failure from deluded oil sounds like a cost effective compromise since only the engines that actually fail would get replaced not all the ones having a problem to same degree.

 

[jblc]

Here's what it says in my 2020 manual:

Thanks -- but that's what I mentioned in my post, that I know what the manual says It says to wait 15 minutes, but doesn't say if longer is okay too...longer is also after 15 minutes

My question is: have people tried checking oil after sitting longer than 15 minutes, eg after a day or few days? Does that change the reading? Could this be related to oil drain rates?

 

[Hirnlego]

My question is: have people tried checking oil after sitting longer than 15 minutes, eg after a day or few days? Does that change the reading? Could this be related to oil drain rates?

Mine sat for a week while on vacation. I checked it when I got back out of curiosity before starting it, and the level was still at the top hole. Smelled like two stoke mix.

People who are noting they hear the HPFP priming often Forscan code indicates "Fuel Prime on Door Ajar" Enabled. No where else does it indicate to prime.

Anyone with a tune able to data log injector duty cycle and or other variables data? Too many people had injectors replaced and noted the issue still precises. Suspect injectors ore not the issue.

Assuming the injectors and HPFP are the same on the mustang and RS than coding on the Ranger is the only thing completely new, plus a few other engine differences.

 

[Hirnlego]

Mine sat for a week while on vacation. I checked it when I got back out of curiosity before starting it, and the level was still at the top hole. Smelled like two stroke mix.

People who are noting they hear the HPFP priming often Forscan code indicates "Fuel Prime on Door Ajar" Enabled. No where else does it indicate to prime.

Anyone with a tune able to data log injector duty cycle and or other variables data? Too many people had injectors replaced and noted the issue still precises. Suspect injectors ore not the issue.

Assuming the injectors and HPFP are the same on the mustang and RS than coding on the Ranger is the only thing completely new, plus a few other engine differences.

 

[JKocot]

Thanks -- but that's what I mentioned in my post, that I know what the manual says It says to wait 15 minutes, but doesn't say if longer is okay too...longer is also after 15 minutes

My question is: have people tried checking oil after sitting longer than 15 minutes, eg after a day or few days? Does that change the reading? Could this be related to oil drain rates?

Lol - Sorry - I misunderstood your original post. I would think letting it sit overnight after driving it would be ok. So after sitting all night I checked the level and the oil was just under the top hole on the dipstick. I mean just under. I started the truck and let it run for 15 minutes, shut if off and waited 30 minutes (had a 30 min conf call) and I just checked the level and it is covering the top hole on the dipstick (oil is in the hole). So i don't know what to say. I have a 11:30AM appoint at the dealership. I'll see what they have to say. And both times I checked the oil there is a very strong smell of fuel.

 

[N. J. Jim]

Lol - Sorry - I misunderstood your original post. I would think letting it sit overnight after driving it would be ok. So after sitting all night I checked the level and the oil was just under the top hole on the dipstick. I mean just under. I started the truck and let it run for 15 minutes, shut if off and waited 30 minutes (had a 30 min conf call) and I just checked the level and it is covering the top hole on the dipstick (oil is in the hole). So i don't know what to say. I have a 11:30AM appoint at the dealership. I'll see what they have to say. And both times I checked the oil there is a very strong smell of fuel.

I think it stands to reason after letting the truck sit overnight all the oil has drained down to the pan and cooled that's when you would get your most accurate reading. Every vehicle I've owned that's the way I checked it for an accurate reading!!

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