10R80 transmission poll.

[AzScorpion]

Nate says transmission manufacturers just lie to you..

Great video John! Just goes to prove what I've been saying for years on here. Manufacturers don't care about the customer and have been putting profits and share holders first over their customers. Sure they've always done this to an extent but nothing like we see now. Cheap parts made overseas by people who usually have little to no experience but hey, they're building profits for these manufacturers so that's all that matters.

But this isn't limited to the auto industry it's everywhere now. Appliances, electronics, and furniture are mostly all cheap junk now and made to be replaced. Gone are the days where you could buy something and know it would last and pass it down for generations. Sure some things will last but the odds are it's going to fail sooner than later now. You just have to do your research, roll the dice and hope you got a good one.

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[Dr. Zaius]

The build quality of current products across multiple industries, where it seems that failure is predetermined and built in from the start, always makes me think of the quote from Ida Auken.

"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"

If you are convinced that you will always have a car payment, why would you buy when you can lease and never have to worry about any out of warranty issues?

It's already almost there as when you go to buy a car they initially will not tell you the cost of the car, just the monthly payment.

 

[woodworker]

The build quality of current products across multiple industries, where it seems that failure is predetermined and built in from the start, always makes me think of the quote from Ida Auken.

"You will own nothing, and you will be happy"

If you are convinced that you will always have a car payment, why would you buy when you can lease and never have to worry about any out of warranty issues?

It's already almost there as when you go to buy a car they initially will not tell you the cost of the car, just the monthly payment.

I remember when things were built to last and not built to wear out on a pre-determined schedule. But, like the slant 6, the 4.0, the 300 six, and the 5.9 Cummins for example that would run for years and years, if it runs or lasts too long, you can’t sell near as many. The excuse I always heard for discontinuing those examples was due to EPA regulations. Yeah, I call bovine fecal matter on that regulation. I was telling my brother, who owned an appliance store for many years and knows very well what we are discussing, that my friend has a Yard Machine riding mower that was built in 1995 and the engine doesn’t even burn oil yet but the frame and deck are wearing out. He said yep, the people that build the deck got with the people that build the engines and said your engines last too long, build them so they will wear out the same time as the deck. Classic case, why not build he deck to last as long as the engine? Oh right, can’t sell as many. Silly me.

”You will own nothin, and you will be happy” scares me because I fear that’s where we’re headed.

As far as leasing, I considered that option but with as many miles as I drive, I would end up most likely paying four times as much for the vehicle based on the charge per mile.

 

[Phoenix_Guard]

I don't think there will ever be an official recall on these, especially since Ford now has one of, if not the highest warranty spending costs in the industry.

When you think of how many hundreds of thousands, maybe over a million, of these are out there with the defective CDF, Ford bean counters will argue that it's much cheaper to piss off customers than recall and fix all those transmissions.

"Oh but that problem is fixed now" doesn't provide much help to the ones already out there.

Ford is losing Billions on warranty repair costs. They are not going to voluntarily add to that depressing number.

Ford claims that warranty costs are going down. COO Kumar Galhotra stated: "Our warranty costs are going down and that's obviously directly related to improving initial quality of the vehicles that we're selling, and improving the cost of repairs, and lowering the repairs for vehicles already in customers' hands."

Take that with an entire salt shaker of skepticism, given last year's 153 recall orders. But Ford's official position seems to be "we're being proactive in issuing recalls and it's working because we're seeing a decline in warranty work."

 

[woodworker]

Ford claims that warranty costs are going down. COO Kumar Galhotra stated: "Our warranty costs are going down and that's obviously directly related to improving initial quality of the vehicles that we're selling, and improving the cost of repairs, and lowering the repairs for vehicles already in customers' hands."

Take that with an entire salt shaker of skepticism, given last year's 153 recall orders. But Ford's official position seems to be "we're being proactive in issuing recalls and it's working because we're seeing a decline in warranty work."

We the customers (read guinea pig test subjects) are telling them what is wrong with the improperly tested crap we are buying. Just my opinion.

 

[Dr. Zaius]

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Take that with an entire salt shaker of skepticism, given last year's 153 recall orders. But Ford's official position seems to be "we're being proactive in issuing recalls and it's working because we're seeing a decline in warranty work."

I could also read that as since many of the 10R80 transmissions are failing after they're out of warranty, they are therefore not considered warranty work.

 

[AzScorpion]

We the customers (read guinea pig test subjects) are telling them what is wrong with the improperly tested crap we are buying. Just my opinion.

That and they don't care enough about us to fix the problems the right way. Which is evident by the video above and their billions in warranty losses.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ford-losing-billions-recalls-warranties.html

Ford’s battle with its own quality control processes and subsequent recalls continues, exacting a heavy toll on customer and company alike. The Blue Oval reported that it spent $2.3 billion on warranty and recall costs last quarter, up a massive $800 million in the first quarter of the year and $700 million more than this time last year. That means warranty and recall costs totaled some $25.5 million per day this quarter.

 

[woodworker]

That and they don't care enough about us to fix the problems the right way. Which is evident by the video above and their billions in warranty losses.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ford-losing-billions-recalls-warranties.html

But if they fixed the problems “the right way”, they wouldn’t get to sell near as many parts. It’s like paying a tax on a tax you know. You pay a ridiculous price for the product and pay ridiculous prices to fix the product you paid a ridiculous price for. It’s like double redundant back ups.

 

[Phoenix_Guard]

That and they don't care enough about us to fix the problems the right way. Which is evident by the video above and their billions in warranty losses.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/ford-losing-billions-recalls-warranties.html

Manufacturers doing the absolute bare minimum to address federal safety laws, a tale as old as time.

I think it was the Chevy Camaro that got recalled a year or two ago because the transmission was prone to internal damage. GM didn't offer replacements for the affected transmissions, but generously offered a software patch to tell you when your transmission was about to crap out.

 

[TJC]

Ohh but they do. F150's are no better off than the Rangers.

And the Ranger 10R80 is the same unit as the F150 unit, however the Ranger units have one fewer clutch disk in a few of the assemblies. (Don't remember which ones)

The Ranger version of the 10R80 is a weaker version of the F150 version. Ford "cheaped out" AGAIN.

The transmissions are essentially the same, but NOT the same. All else being equal, the clutches (and transmission) will last longer in the F150, as the torque is shared across more clutch discs.

I see the rear suspension suffering from the same engineering mentality. Leaf springs in the F150, parabolic leaf spring in the Ranger. Even the 4G came with suitable rear suspension.

If a parabolic leaf spring is so good, why doesn't the F150 simply have a beefier version of the same thing? The question answers itself!

Geez, even my stripped down econobox 1964 Ford Falcon with a 170CI inline 6 and 3 on the tree had rear leaf springs! And that car was about as stripped down as one could buy back then.

BTW, that $1900 MSRP for a 1964 Falcon is now $19,000... and rapidly rising...

 

[Cmar]

Parabolic leaf springs do have some advantages in terms of ride quality and work quite well as long as they're made from good quality spring steel, properly tempered.
That's the kicker, too many are made off shore in countries who either don't have the skills, or simply don't care as long as it's "good enough"

 

[ctechbob]

The transmissions are essentially the same, but NOT the same. All else being equal, the clutches (and transmission) will last longer in the F150, as the torque is shared across more clutch discs.

Yea, but I have 570 lb/ft of it now

And my god is it ever hard to keep your foot out of it.....

 

[TJC]

Yea, but I have 570 lb/ft of it now

And my god is it ever hard to keep your foot out of it.....

BRAGGARD !!

 

[TJC]

And yes, I'm a tab bit jealous... but just a little.

 

[ctechbob]

And yes, I'm a tab bit jealous... but just a little.

The power is nice and the 10R80 is infinitely smoother than the one in the Ranger and the pro-power is fantastic.

But I don't love driving it. I'd 100% prefer to drive the Ranger as my daily. The 150 is nice on trips, but a pain around town.

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