Transmission Any Better with 2023's?

[mtbikernate]

Do you have a 2023?

do you need to own a 2023 to believe the complaints are overblown?

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[LostMy65]

do you need to own a 2023 to believe the complaints are overblown?

I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood me.
I was asking if people were having any issues with the 2023. I thought you were saying you weren't having issues with your 2023.

 

[conwash]

Yes, you were one I was hoping would post in this thread; in that I know you have a 2023.

I'm having the same experience as @Jhbryaniv with my '23. I figured it just needs to hit at 1k-5k mile mark to break in, sounds like that is the case from other members.

 

[yamahaSHO]

but, who cares? it does it's thing, the truck goes.

I also don't get the "lugging" complaints that are so frequent. The truck has 300+ ft-lb of torque. It isn't "lugging" in normal operation. I do suspect some people interpret the programmed throttle response delay as a mechanical thing, but it's just software. (Probably because a hell of a lot of people tend to be jittery on the pedal and if it did react instantly to every micropressure it really would be shifting all over the place while running steady.)

It's lugging. I've lugged an engine with far more torque than that. That said, torque and beating up bearings aren't always related. If anything, it's far from a smooth driving experience.

 

[mtbikernate]

I'm sorry, I think you misunderstood me.
I was asking if people were having any issues with the 2023. I thought you were saying you weren't having issues with your 2023.

I specifically said I have a 2019. the 2023 has the same transmission. LOTS of discussions here about how the computer has a "learning algorithm" of sorts to dial in the shift points. I bought mine with 2k mi on the ticker, so much of that had already been done. but it still had to do some, and I did have the TSB done due to the lurching on cold mornings (which pushed idle rpms a little higher, I noticed).

 

[LostMy65]

Yep, lots of discussion in these forums about the 2019-2022.
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Thread title:
"Transmission Any Better with 2023's?"
Question was:
'eveyone doing okay so far with their 2023's?'
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Two that have recently got their 2023's have posted so far.

 

[mtbikernate]

Yep, lots of discussion in these forums about the 2019-2022.
.
Thread title:
"Transmission Any Better with 2023's?"
Question was:
'eveyone doing okay so far with their 2023's?'
.
Two that have recently got their 2023's have posted so far.

it's the same transmission, so those older discussions are still relevant.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

Yep, lots of discussion in these forums about the 2019-2022.
.
Thread title:
"Transmission Any Better with 2023's?"
Question was:
'eveyone doing okay so far with their 2023's?'
.
Two that have recently got their 2023's have posted so far.

Would be interesting to have someone who owns a pre-23 truck swap trucks with a 23 and see if there is a noticeable difference for either driver...

@Glocker when I get back from Colorado in ~4 weeks we should get together and we can test this theory out.

 

[LostMy65]

My question was if those that own a 2023 are feeling some of the issues with their transmissions that are posted in this forum - whether real, imagined, or assumed.

 

[cactus.js]

Mine only has about 250mi on the odometer and haven't noticed anything too unusual about the shifts. I had a 2018 F-150 with the 3.5L and 10 speed so maybe I'm just used to it already. Comparing to a Porsche PDK and VW DSG(both can be jerky when cold), no contest but it's a truck so....meh

 

[FunInTheSun]

I've read a lot of posts by people in these forums that run some other than factory tune that has made their transmission shift better. I was wondering if those with a 2023 are seeing the same issues as those with earlier year 5g's.
It's not unusual to be the same generation vehicle and the last year of a generation has most the bugs worked out.
You'll see across most all makes; first year of a generation has several issues (recalls), and the last year they've resolved most of them.

Most of the "Problems" reported here are by design. Ford is HEAVILY constrained by the EPA, in particular CAFE standards. If they don't meet these ever increasing fleet average numbers, it can make the entire business a non-profit enterprise. Hence the extreme measures like Auto Start-Stop and the ... odd ... transmission programming.

They (Ford) are fully aware of the ... unsatisfying ... driving experience when the transmission is programmed to hyper-mile for you. This is why you end up with the engine turning 1200 rpm at all possible moments. Ford's work-around is to offer alternate transmission scheduling for special or enthusiast driving experiences. These modes cannot persist across drive cycles, so they must be selected by the owner on each drive cycle. "Tow-Haul" mode will raise the cruise rpm setpoint to 1800 or so, and eliminates the skip shifting, and enables engine braking. "Sport" mode takes it another step up, and biases the scheduling in the direction of better throttle response, higher cruise rpm, and offers a much "sportier" driving experience.

The bottom line is this: "D" mode is the default program, and it is programmed to get the most economical use of gasoline out of the vehicle, particularly with reference to the EPA Drive Cycle. That is what it is, and the driving experience is completely secondary to this.

For a stock machine, you can use Tow/Haul or S mode to make the drive more like most people expect it to be, and if you want more customization of the experience, the transmission shift schedule can be reprogrammed by several aftermarket "tuners". This can make any perceived "shortcomings" of the transmission magically disappear. It's all software, and the quirks are by design.

 

[moorejl57]

… If, like many of us, it doesn't shift to your liking in D you can always try tow/haul. It's a good halfway between D and S, and for me I actually return better mileage in Tow/Haul with my driving habits.

I was driving the downhill twisties out of Bend Oregon this summer and tried tow mode. The engine braking was fun. Every time I touched the brakes, it would downshift and rev up to about 4k.

 

[AzScorpion]

I was driving the downhill twisties out of Bend Oregon this summer and tried tow mode. The engine braking was fun. Every time I touched the brakes, it would downshift and rev up to about 4k.

Next time try S mode. When I'm up in the mountains I like S better while manually shifting. You can control the steeper hills better that way and ride your brakes a lot less.

 

[Glocker]

Would be interesting to have someone who owns a pre-23 truck swap trucks with a 23 and see if there is a noticeable difference for either driver...

@Glocker when I get back from Colorado in ~4 weeks we should get together and we can test this theory out.

10-4!

 

[Techcargt]

if I believed the mailer I got from some rando lawyer recently, I'd think my 2019 was a complete pile of garbage. but I don't believe that mailer.

transmission works just fine

I got one of those too LOL

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