Transmission Any Better with 2023's?

[Wytchdctr]

After a year with it. This transmission is terrible/dumb as a box of rocks. The tune helped a lot but it still bangs into 5th cold and 8th hot randomly.

.... Unless

It lasts longer than the GM or Koreans it shares a driveway with... Then I'll forgive the weird crap it does from time to time.

Just hitting 16k so it's going to take a while to see if I actually like it or not.

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[D Fresh]

I've read a lot of posts by people in these forums that run some other than factory tune that has made their transmission shift better. I was wondering if those with a 2023 are seeing the same issues as those with earlier year 5g's.
It's not unusual to be the same generation vehicle and the last year of a generation has most the bugs worked out.
You'll see across most all makes; first year of a generation has several issues (recalls), and the last year they've resolved most of them.

The factory shift logic in D is not a problem though. It functions exactly as Ford designed it. It gets into as high of gear as possible as soon as possible, keeping the RPMs as low as possible and MPGs as high as possible.

This is the way Ford wants it.

If, like many of us, it doesn't shift to your liking in D you can always try tow/haul. It's a good halfway between D and S, and for me I actually return better mileage in Tow/Haul with my driving habits.

 

[CB750F]

IIRC when I first started on this forum most people were amazed at the trany. Now it seems like a POS? I find it's smooth.
Does it lug sometimes, yup, do I care, nope. It's never hunted for gears??? Driving habits are different, i guess.

 

[D Fresh]

IIRC when I first started on this forum most people were amazed at the trany. Now it seems like a POS? I find it's smooth.
Does it lug sometimes, yup, do I care, nope. It's never hunted for gears??? Driving habits are different, i guess.

Yep.

Biggest problem is the Drive shift logic prefers to lug the engine a bit. Easily overcome.

People seem to like to use the word "hunting" with our trannies. That's not the case. It shifts a lot, because it has 10 closely spaced gears. But it does not "hunt."

An automatic transmission that hunts will bounce repeatedly from one gear to another driving along at a steady speed. And it's usually because of gears that are spaced too widely. For example 3-2, 2-3, 3-2, 2-3, 3-2, 2-3, while driving along a flat road at 50 mph.

People who think this thing "hunts" have never driven a 3 speed auto.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

LOL

People are funny.

 

[Rp930]

Since any major change would like trigger recertification it is unlikely they changed anything.

The Ford tune made a significant difference in the transmission shifting. I highly recommend it.

 

[Dereku]

Yep.

Biggest problem is the Drive shift logic prefers to lug the engine a bit. Easily overcome.

People seem to like to use the word "hunting" with our trannies. That's not the case. It shifts a lot, because it has 10 closely spaced gears. But it does not "hunt."

An automatic transmission that hunts will bounce repeatedly from one gear to another driving along at a steady speed. And it's usually because of gears that are spaced too widely. For example 3-2, 2-3, 3-2, 2-3, 3-2, 2-3, while driving along a flat road at 50 mph.

People who think this thing "hunts" have never driven a 3 speed auto.

No kidding. Look at the C6, E4OD, or and crown vic trans. Those were all 3 speeds some with overdrive. Those actually would hunt. Ford got their stuff together with the introduction of the 5R100. Ever since then their transmissions have actually lasted longer. Occasional clunkyness especially while cold is for trans safety and longevity. You want more decisive shifts, like driving a manual. How long do you really need to roll out the clutch?

 

[VAMike]

The biggest problem with this transmission is the people who arbitrarily decide they don't like what it's doing.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

The biggest problem with this transmission is the people who arbitrarily decide they don't like what it's doing.

It takes time to understand wtf its doing.

In my subi i could predict when and how it would shift based on throttle input.

This one makes no sense, yet, I was doing 15mph in a school zone this morning in 6th gear. That just seems crazy. And when I got to the end school zone sign and dropped the hammer it was crazy to watch, and feel, it go down to 3rd gear to get up and go. Than it was back in 8th before I hit 45mph.

So strange.

One of the other '23 owners and I were talking about how in town it seems to hunt around looking for the perfect gear, but on the highway it purrs along great.

 

[yamahaSHO]

I don't like that it gets in too high of a gear, but that's about it. I've got a tune ready to put on, once I hit 1k miles (I set that for myself) to make D mode a little less lugging. I plan to play with the transmission shifting until I find something I like. I don't find any better mileage with it lugging at low RPM, vs not lugging in higher RPM and being in a more efficient operation of the engine.

 

[dtech]

People who think this thing "hunts" have never driven a 3 speed auto.

or recent yr Toyotas with the V6 and 6 sp tranny in the mtns, those things definately know how to hunt.

 

[VAMike]

It takes time to understand wtf its doing.

In my subi i could predict when and how it would shift based on throttle input.

This one makes no sense, yet, I was doing 15mph in a school zone this morning in 6th gear. That just seems crazy. And when I got to the end school zone sign and dropped the hammer it was crazy to watch, and feel, it go down to 3rd gear to get up and go. Than it was back in 8th before I hit 45mph.

So strange.

but, who cares? it does it's thing, the truck goes.

I also don't get the "lugging" complaints that are so frequent. The truck has 300+ ft-lb of torque. It isn't "lugging" in normal operation. I do suspect some people interpret the programmed throttle response delay as a mechanical thing, but it's just software. (Probably because a hell of a lot of people tend to be jittery on the pedal and if it did react instantly to every micropressure it really would be shifting all over the place while running steady.)

 

[D Fresh]

or recent yr Toyotas with the V6 and 6 sp tranny in the mtns, those things definately know how to hunt.

Thank God I've avoided THAT experience.

 

[VAMike]

or recent yr Toyotas with the V6 and 6 sp tranny in the mtns, those things definately know how to hunt.

not just recent years. those v6's have a horrible torque curve and have always been constantly flipping a coin between "not revved enough to move out of its own way" and "oh my god why are the rpms so high".

 

[Blue Streak]

I believe engine tranny combos are sometimes on purpose. I agree with D Fresh on driving in tow mode much better, better mileage & never skips a gear & downshifts are much more noticeable. I had a 92 F250 with the 3speed EOD & I can say it never hunted for gears, but it had a 460. That engine new how to do the work, it did not need the tranny to figure it out.

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