Rear Ride height a Design defect caught tooo late?

[Cmar]

Hi RDS,

Okay...I have remained silent on this post to let members "vent" etc... Did not read the entire thread due to a waste of time. So here is my take.

This IS NOT a design defect. If Ford produced a vehicle where something like this occurred, it would have not seen production without many design reviews. Since the 5G was produced off shore since 2016, there were redesigns of the Ranger for the North American market for power train and interior trim etc. The ride height was deemed acceptable for the frame design...tweaked for the 2.3l ten speed trans etc., but it was a decision to accept the tail up design was made. So throw the lemons you wish at the Ranger, but the design was not a mistake...

A bit of a back story....I had built 4 race trucks for racing at Livernois ( yep...the now tuners) Vehicle. The 4th truck was my test mule....the three race trucks were mulitlieaf rear springs.
I was looking to reduce weight and we developed a reduced weight monoleaf spring for the race trucks. The weight savings came at a cost so to speak as we had to retune the shocks, which we did many times during developments of the Test Mule and supplied to the team, Saleen Autosports. Multileafe design provides friction damping, but a monoleaf had no damping (like a tailgate damper, which is SO contentious). The weigh reduction was enough to merit bookshelfing the race truck technology for future productes....thus the 5g benefits from my work/development of racetrucks...

So lambast away... It was not considered a Defect...

Enough said...170 posts of mixed bag...

I saw the 5g in New Zealand in 2016...it was the No 1 selling vehicle in NZ and Australia.

When it hit the USA and being head of Ranger Vehicle Engineering, I just had to have one...trading my 2007 Ranger for a 2019...

5G is a worthy product and I am proud to be part of the heritage that delivered the Ranger back to market even though I had no direct input to this happening...

So I retreat to my flameproof bunker for my statements... Take them with a grain of salt or the whole saltshaker as you wish..

Best,
Phil

Indeed Phil, the 5G and the 6G were designed here for the world market, as most of this country buy one to tow a caravan or boat, and / or throw a load of camping gear in the back (people like me) or throw a load of tools and materials ( Tradespeople) and this is the market they will be competing in here, Oceania, Africa, and much of Europe, that's the way it was designed.

I can connect my medium size caravan, (2400 Kg) the back doesn't droop much, and I don't need a WDH. I can travel on some pretty much rough bush tracks and it doesn't drag it's arse on washouts or steep climbs. If you want a street racer you can buy a Raptor version instead. If you want a lower truck buy the 2WD commercial version which is lower - but I understand that's not available in the US. My Ranger suits my purposes perfectly, and it doesn't have a strong following over here for nothing.

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[RangerDangerStranger]

No mistake, it was indeed called the Navara here. It was still a sh*t bucket. Such a shame it did have the makings of a great vehicle, good size, good looks, made by a company with (until then a good reputation for pickups and 4x4) but it's like they just threw QC and customer support out the window. Late in it's model life Nissan put the Renault A9x V6 diesel in it with the Z car 7 speed auto, that was actually quite a weapon, but sadly too little, to late, and too expensive at the time.

Do you shake your ranger is butt around, when you see a Nissan?

Probably.

you talk bad abut my Wanger. i get mad like little girl....

hahahaha hahaha

Frontier IS a better truck. i know, I've owned both. That's not to say the Ranger is a bad truck, just has this one odd design feature. Better than a Tacoma.

 

[RangerDangerStranger]

Hi RDS,

Okay...I have remained silent on this post to let members "vent" etc... Did not read the entire thread due to a waste of time. So here is my take.

This IS NOT a design defect. If Ford produced a vehicle where something like this occurred, it would have not seen production without many design reviews. Since the 5G was produced off shore since 2016, there were redesigns of the Ranger for the North American market for power train and interior trim etc. The ride height was deemed acceptable for the frame design...tweaked for the 2.3l ten speed trans etc., but it was a decision to accept the tail up design was made. So throw the lemons you wish at the Ranger, but the design was not a mistake...

A bit of a back story....I had built 4 race trucks for racing at Livernois ( yep...the now tuners) Vehicle. The 4th truck was my test mule....the three race trucks were mulitlieaf rear springs.
I was looking to reduce weight and we developed a reduced weight monoleaf spring for the race trucks. The weight savings came at a cost so to speak as we had to retune the shocks, which we did many times during developments of the Test Mule and supplied to the team, Saleen Autosports. Multileafe design provides friction damping, but a monoleaf had no damping (like a tailgate damper, which is SO contentious). The weigh reduction was enough to merit bookshelfing the race truck technology for future productes....thus the 5g benefits from my work/development of racetrucks...

So lambast away... It was not considered a Defect...

Enough said...170 posts of mixed bag...

I saw the 5g in New Zealand in 2016...it was the No 1 selling vehicle in NZ and Australia.

When it hit the USA and being head of Ranger Vehicle Engineering, I just had to have one...trading my 2007 Ranger for a 2019...

5G is a worthy product and I am proud to be part of the heritage that delivered the Ranger back to market even though I had no direct input to this happening...

So I retreat to my flameproof bunker for my statements... Take them with a grain of salt or the whole saltshaker as you wish..

Best,
Phil

Indeed, probably the only person on here qualified to answer the question. I accept your answer, not a design error that slipped through until too late. It happens, look at the Mars probe that crash onto the surface because on team was using Metric, and the other SAE, that was ridiculous. I think if it was a clean sheet design, there's no way the azz would of been up in the air like that. Thank you Phill, for bringing your considerable expertise to what i felt was a small question. thank you. lol.

 

[Highlander]

Do you shake your ranger is butt around, when you see a Nissan?

Probably.

you talk bad abut my Wanger. i get mad like little girl....

hahahaha hahaha

Frontier IS a better truck. i know, I've owned both. That's not to say the Ranger is a bad truck, just has this one odd design feature. Better than a Tacoma.

Yes better truck. You are correct. Just checked our their site. Seems most of the online truck reviews I watched, were decidedly anti-Nissan. I grabbed a couple of screen shots for the 5G members to check out.

6,720lbs to give the Frontier, best in class standard towing*. That is impressive compaired to Ranger. As the Frontier is the newest truck released, and had been in development for years, I'm not sure the 6G, while have had enough time to factor for this when it's released.

Hell, they don't even list the Ranger' spec on this.

Then there's torque. Again the Ranger missed the boat.

To be fair, some of their stanard safety systems are options on the Ranger; in the US, but standard in Canada. Really a well rounded superior truck. I'm sure you won't have buyers remorse this time, as this is clearly a better truck. Enjoy it for years to come.

You do you!

Frank

 

[WV_Ranger]

You have officially offended all damper people with that post!!

LOL

I was one of them but my damper broke last week. Been having problems lowering the tailgate now. Need Dave to swoop in and save me!

 

[Highlander]

I was one of them but my damper broke last week. Been having problems lowering the tailgate now. Need Dave to swoop in and save me!

Having problems getting it down.. that's truly the King of Dampers!

Frank

 

[Cabose-1]

Have you seen the design defect in the new f250s??????
You need a step stool just to reach the steps to help you reach in the bed!
Cmon ford. Enough of the design flaws

 

[puckdodger]

Please tell me most members aren’t like this ?

You never met the dancing banana, did ya???

 

[Frenchy]

Do you shake your ranger is butt around, when you see a Nissan?

Probably.

you talk bad abut my Wanger. i get mad like little girl....

hahahaha hahaha

Frontier IS a better truck. i know, I've owned both. That's not to say the Ranger is a bad truck, just has this one odd design feature. Better than a Tacoma.

Lol after owning a 2016 Frontier and a 2019 Ranger I can tell you they were both great trucks in thier own ways. That said I can say the Ranger is superior. Even though Nissan does not include the Ranger in thier comparison on the website the Ranger still.has more power and towing capabilities vs the Frontier. Oh and that high tow capacity mention by Nissan is a extended cab 2wd only. Crew cab 4wd has a lower capacity. Last but not least the front end is ugly. Being a Nissan guy that says a lot.

 

[burnkill]

You never met the dancing banana, did ya???

Do I dare ask…

 

[D Fresh]

You never met the dancing banana, did ya???

RP was generally fairly logical. And definately a better troller than this douchebag. Not much of a comparison really.

 

[NotBudule]

And definately a better troller than this douchebag.

so , the best at being the worst ? That's kinda my thing...

 

[D Fresh]

so , the best at being the worst ? That's kinda my thing...

I looked at him as the Dexter of the trolls. He usually only targeted his own.

 

[puckdodger]

I looked at him as the Dexter of the trolls. He usually only targeted his own.

And he was good at it. I knew better than to mess around with him LMAO

I'm usually pretty sharp with the wisecracks but there are a few guys IRL I would never try to take the piss out of because I'll end up running home crying lol I think RP woulda been one of them

 

[puckdodger]

Do I dare ask…

Ranger Pride was a long timer here, he got banned a while back for stepping too far over the line, too many times. He could be hilarious, most of the time, or your worst nightmare if you asked what he thought was a stupid question. He really put the Mods in a tough spot with some of his shenanigans.

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