Regretting my new tires

[P. A. Schilke]

Interesting, I ordered these with my truck and I really like them. Different strokes perhaps? If you are comparing the BFGs directly to the stock Dyna Pros, this may be the source of your woes. I'm not in any way suggesting that you haven't considered this but, the stock Hankooks are an on-road biased tire. Therefore, provide a much more "comfortable" drive/ride. Any plus side tire will induce extra rolling mass, regarldess of load rating or tread pattern. Yes, the E load rating will add some additional NVH and weight, and that is a legit complaint. However, it's generally considered a trade off for durability in the "off-road" tire segment. Or if you just want to look cool...like me. That said, the Scorpions are a great tire. On-road manners will be a bit better than the BFGs for sure.

As to the braking complaint. I honestly feel that is a fault of the truck directly. I've only owned my truck for two days and I have already noticed that the brakes are the biggest shortcoming. Good luck with the tire swap.

Hi Jason,

On the soap box here....Bed your brakes. It helps quite a bit. Search the forums for brake bedding procedure but here is the basics. From 30 mph brake agressively....accelerate to 30mph again and again brake agressively, then repeat a third time but this time, release the brakes when stopped and let them cool without touching the brake pedal for about 30 minutes, allowing the brakes to cool. Might have to repeat this process a couple times....not a complete fix, but it does make a difference as reported here in the forums.

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

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[Snow3d]

Hi Jason,

On the soap box here....Bed your brakes. It helps quite a bit. Search the forums for brake bedding procedure but here is the basics. From 30 mph brake agressively....accelerate to 30mph again and again brake agressively, then repeat a third time but this time, release the brakes when stopped and let them cool without touching the brake pedal for about 30 minutes, allowing the brakes to cool. Might have to repeat this process a couple times....not a complete fix, but it does make a difference as reported here in the forums.

best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

Phil,

Funny you mention this, because this is something I do reflexively when I buy a new car. I do it on my first drive home. Assuming of course, that the brakes are not bedded when the vehicle leaves the factory....how could they have been? I got into the habit years ago when doing brake service for a living. I do it anytime I replace the brakes on any car. Having done it on the new Ranger it is a bit better, but not what I would call spectacular. It's not necessarily the initial bite or the stopping force, which is adequate. Rather it's the sketchy and somewhat lengthy travel before the bite that gets me.

 

[Frenchy]

It's your call on what you do. In my opinion rhe KO2 is a great tire for offroad. If you take your truck offroad then I would suggest with that size or bigger. Why you ask? The more side wall you have the better for both the tire and wheels. Can you go with a different tire? Sure you can but I would recommend going through those tires or trying to get your money back by selling them or hoping the shop you got them at will help you out.

 

[HenryMac]

A tuned damper might add that extra oomph you lost

I'm guessing you meant to say a tuned diaper might add the poop you lost?

 

[MTB-BRUH]

I had a similar experience with Cooper S/T Maxx’s loved them except for everything you complain about. Ended up with Crosswind M/T 6 ply tires from
Amazon and despite them being a cheaper tire they have been great! Really like the look of them too

 

[7600]

What air pressure in your tires?

 

[Ranger54]

Hey guys, Im new here and i just put on 265/70/18 KO2 tires on the Ranger after my Fox 2.0 leveling kit, i think it looks good but the truck feels more sluggish, it takes longer to brake, these are E rated 10 ply so they are really heavy, now i cant return them, i only had them on for a week, do you guys think i should just stick with them? i dont want parts to wear quicker than they should, i am about to go with Perrelli Scorpion plus all terrain instead, in 265/65/18.
so i have a set of KO2 for sale local only, im in Illinois

Put a set of cooper AT3’s on there. You will love them. It’s the best riding and driving AT tire out there and it’s not even close. Been in tire business for years and it’s hands down the best AT out there ride and drive quality wise. The BFG is one of the best looking tires out there but easily gets the most ride complaints. I run the Cooper 6 plys, wife has the 10 ply XLT’s and both are amazing.

 

[RANGER_MARC]

Hey guys, Im new here and i just put on 265/70/18 KO2 tires on the Ranger after my Fox 2.0 leveling kit, i think it looks good but the truck feels more sluggish, it takes longer to brake, these are E rated 10 ply so they are really heavy, now i cant return them, i only had them on for a week, do you guys think i should just stick with them? i dont want parts to wear quicker than they should, i am about to go with Perrelli Scorpion plus all terrain instead, in 265/65/18.
so i have a set of KO2 for sale local only, im in Illinois

I replaced the stock Hankooks with Falken Wildpeaks and couldn't be happier. They are a little bit heavier and more aggressive, but flashing the (Ford) tune the same day gave me the impression of running faster and cleaner rather than slowing things down. I had Pirelli Scorpions on a previous vehicle (Explorer) and loved them, so you can't go wrong there either.

 

[grizzly]

myself...im kinda shy about the Pirellis.
i had Pirellis on my F150 FX4.
not sure if they were AT plus or not, but i ended up in the ditch on a slushy night and needed a tow to get out...was kinda embarrassing. it wasn't that deep of a ditch.

Had them on my 2013 F-150 FX4 also. They were OK but in the snow and the rain they did suck. I almost lost it in an intersection one rainy day and I wasn't even on the gas that hard.

 

[Fawnbuster]

I'm guessing you meant to say a tuned diaper might add the poop you lost?

Nope

 

[Ranger54]

Had them on my 2013 F-150 FX4 also. They were OK but in the snow and the rain they did suck. I almost lost it in an intersection one rainy day and I wasn't even on the gas that hard.

You aren’t the only one that had that issue. I think I still have a set or two of new take off 275/55r20 Pirelli AT’s at work off of f150’s. They are not a good tire in the wet/snow/mud. They last a long time and are decently quiet, but compound is almost like hard plastic

 

[NickTheEnforcer]

Hey guys, Im new here and i just put on 265/70/18 KO2 tires on the Ranger after my Fox 2.0 leveling kit, i think it looks good but the truck feels more sluggish, it takes longer to brake, these are E rated 10 ply so they are really heavy, now i cant return them, i only had them on for a week, do you guys think i should just stick with them? i dont want parts to wear quicker than they should, i am about to go with Perrelli Scorpion plus all terrain instead, in 265/65/18.
so i have a set of KO2 for sale local only, im in Illinois

What town in IL? I'm in Elgin now [past 18 years] and the houses in the backdrop look a lot like the homes in the area I grew up in..western Cook County.

Anyways I never got into 'off roading' too much OCD to take a vehicle I've dumped a hoop of cash into and potentially beat the snot out of it. The only off road I do is when I go up north and off road to a parking spot by the lake that the cars cant get to.. That being said years go I used to like the off road look more, just got tired of the tire growl, as others have said goofy wear patterns, etc. I dont need all that stuff on the mean [paved] streets of Elgin. Its enough truck the way it is for any weather we get and I'm in a job where if its drastically icy out I can just work from home.

 

[NickTheEnforcer]

I had a similar experience with Cooper S/T Maxx’s loved them except for everything you complain about. Ended up with Crosswind M/T 6 ply tires from
Amazon and despite them being a cheaper tire they have been great! Really like the look of them too

I've said in other threads that Cooper's are now my preferred go-to tire now. I've been running a tamer version on my 2009 ram 4x4 in a 20" for years and the check off every box for me. Glad to hear others doing well with them!

 

[GTGallop]

I think the lesson here is the E Rating, and not the BFGATKO design. An E has a heavier carcass and stiffer plys. A Perelli Scorpion, Hankook, Bridgesstone Desert Dueller, or General Grabbers, if built to the same E Load rating would have similar drive characteristics when compared t lesser load rated tires.

I'm still going ATKO when I upgrade because I've had excellent results with them. But I'd never get an E Rated version

A C1 rated ATKO weighs in at 46LBS and runs on pavement at 40 PSI and carries a max load of 2469 per wheel for a combined axle load of about 5,000 LBS.

An E rated version weighs in 54LBS and runs on 80PSI on pavement and can carry up to 3197 per wheel for a combined axle load of 6,400 LBS

The Ford Published Max Rear Payload Capacity is 1,800 LBS. If you figure the back half of the truck doesn't weigh more than 1,000 LBS (just my guess) then the max load on your rear tires should never exceed 2,800 LBS. That's only 56% of what the C rated tires can handle and is a minuscule 43% of what the E rated tires can handle.

Since you are never likely to load up to a point that would make a critical difference betwen C and E rated tires, there is no beneficial trade off. You are sacrificing unsprung weight, rotational mass, stopping distance, fuel economy, ride comfort, and quite possibly a slightly noisier tire for no realizable benefit.

To the OP - See if you can go back to the dealer and make the case that a trained tire professional should have never let you put an E Rated tire on a Mid Sized Light Truck and that they steered you in the wrong direction at their own benefit for higher profit on a more expensive tire.

 

[NeptuneRanger]

Thanks for posting this... not only do these wonderful responses help you but also the rest of us who learn something new each day on this forum.

A very common theme I am noticing on my few months as a member is some truck owners have an identity crisis.

Look in the mirror and truly ask yourself “who am I” and purchase accordingly.

There are definitely posters on this forum that enjoy and need E rated tires. The weekend warrior who stays on the grid and washes the truck as soon as it hits the driveway maybe be fine with a 6 ply AT. City folks like me that spend 99 percent on the time on pavement can remain in stock tires and live a happy carefree existence. I know engineers optimized the stock tire configurations prior to release and I trust their work.

Good luck with the Pirellis and keep us posted.

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