CarID Bait-N-Switch Scam

[2000rpm]

Below sold already - thanks for looking.

I ordered additional ones from Autonation Ford. Paid $6-7 apiece. The real deal ones. Unfortunately I ordered 4 instead of 2, so I have 2 extra. If anyone wants 2 for small donation PM me.

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[P. A. Schilke]

Hi Folks,

You can bad mouth Ford all you want but the fact is the center tie downs were deleted by the Plant Vehicle Team as a Material Cost Reduction. If you can get your dealer to provide them, great! However this action took place some time in the 2019 Model year.

 

[NvrFinished]

Wow! I paid $6 and change last month from Parts Maven Ford. I just looked - $29.73 now!

Funny thing is that I ordered from them because they had the best shipping price of just under $8. Many other dealers were selling the tie downs and bolts for the same price, but they wanted as much as $24 to ship!

 

[alan0614]

@2000rpm pm sent.

 

[RangerDangerStranger]

Funny, i Ordered a set of 2, plus 4 bolts from my dealer 21st of May, they came29th of may. All installed. 10.58 per hook, dealer gave them at 8.46, 6 bucks a bolt x4 (list 7.50)
All in, all done 44.50.

 

[RangerDangerStranger]

Hi Folks,

You can bad mouth Ford all you want but the fact is the center tie downs were deleted by the Plant Vehicle Team as a Material Cost Reduction. If you can get your dealer to provide them, great! However this action took place some time in the 2019 Model year.

Yeah, you got to admit, that's kinda hokey. At least they left the threaded inserts in the bed.

 

[ryyck]

I tried Ford months ago, refused to accept the charge, and kept on walking.
I'll eventually find them or substitute.

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Hi Folks,

On my watch for Ranger, I told the engineers relative to MCR actions, if the customer can see or feel it...leave it alone. We had a Material Cost Reduction called single point crash sensor. This centrally located sensor was on the top of the transmission tunnel under the dash. It replaced three sensors and wiring located at the bottom of the horse collar (Radiator Support). It saved about $25 a vehicle and was a quality improvement. About $1 M engineering and prove our costs including crashing a few vehicles into the wall. Well. $25/Vehicle X 340,000 vehicles netted the company $7.5M and was a customer improvement as well. This is a win win situation. The center tie down delete was a mistake in my book, but hey...arm chair quarterback here....

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[HenryMac]

Hi Folks,

You can bad mouth Ford all you want but the fact is the center tie downs were deleted by the Plant Vehicle Team as a Material Cost Reduction. If you can get your dealer to provide them, great! However this action took place some time in the 2019 Model year.

Excuses excuses. Use the term "Material Cost Reduction" if you will... the reality is it's a chicken shit move on Ford's part.

Their competition has movable tie down points that ensure the load is well secured. Ford gives 6 tie down points, then deletes 2.

We love our Ranger... but it's ok to admit it when they do something stupid.

 

[VAMike]

Nobody is saying that it isn't stupid, it just isn't that Ford somehow forgot them so your dealer needs to fix it under warranty. It was intentionally stupid, not an accident.

 

[tgRanger]

Hi Folks,

You can bad mouth Ford all you want but the fact is the center tie downs were deleted by the Plant Vehicle Team as a Material Cost Reduction. If you can get your dealer to provide them, great! However this action took place some time in the 2019 Model year.

My truck was built 7/14/2019 and it only came with 4 so they deleted them well before that. I didn't even know they were missing or that I was suppose to get 6 until now. It does seem a little cheap on fords part to save 5-6 bucks here and there and I know it adds up but still! Just MHO.

 

[HenryMac]

It was intentionally stupid, not an accident.

Now that's an epic statement right there ^^^^

Probably not what the Marketing Guys @ Ford were hoping for:

FORD: Intentionally Stupid, Not An Accident *

* (It's a Material Cost Reduction thing)

 

[Bluebeastsrt]

Ford wants $26 bucks a piece for these now?

In Dec. of 2019 I paid $6.49 a piece for the Tie Down Hook - Ford (KB3Z-21550A74-A).

I tell ya, Ford should be ashamed of themselves. Their parts pricing is crazy.

Your absolutely right. I recently leveled my truck. After reading on this forum that the tie rod ends can come lose. Because the bolts are one time use. I purchased two new tie rod end connecting nuts............for $16. I guess there just wasn’t any profit in the old fashioned cotter pin and king nut set up???

 

[P. A. Schilke]

Your absolutely right. I recently leveled my truck. After reading on this forum that the tie rod ends can come lose. Because the bolts are one time use. I purchased two new tie rod end connecting nuts............for $16. I guess there just wasn’t any profit in the old fashioned cotter pin and king nut set up???

Hi Big D,

Castellated Nuts and Cotter pins are a PITA on the assembly line. Run the nut on to torque and the hole and castellations do not align, so manually rotate the nut in the tightening direction until achieving alignment and then insert the cotter pin and bend. Do not know what kind of nut the 5G Ranger uses but I can think this is a real boon for the assembly plant I do know that torque prevailing nuts are supposed to be good for 5 on - offs. Do not recall any use of one time nuts in my days at Ford, but there may have been some...

Here is a Castellated Nut/Cotter Pin back story. The E450 Econoline stripped chassis has been favored by RV Class C and ambulance manufactures. We kept having occasional problems on Airzona durability where the tie rod would disconnect from the steering arm on the left front wheel spindle. Since there was ample caster steering was not totally lost and the noise and tire smoke from tie rod resulted in warning signs for a driver. We never had any field complaints ever, but on durability we had this issue. Having Chassis Design Analysis, I decided to see if I could figure out what was going on with this issue that was only durability course and only the Silver creek portion where all the failures occurred. Since there was no castellated nut or cotter pin to analyze, we decided to drag the durability course with strong magnets and collect a castellated nut for examination...unfortunately we could never find a castellated nut, so the mystery continued. I had all the E450 cotter pins tethered with safety wire and had one of my engineers set up a lab test to duplicate and this test ran for 6 months with no incidents. Still majorly puzzled by this I had my engineer compare the tie rod steering arm joint for F450 through F150, which did not have any issues. What the engineer found was that the E450 steering arm had the least taper engagement with the tie rod taper. Ah Ha! we had a lead so the engineer brought me a Econoline steering knuckle and I noticed that there was a very agressive machined surface on the steering arm...a very deep cut to achieve a flat surface for the castellated nut. So we headed up to the design engineer and asked if this cut could be lessened to give us more taper engagement. The design engineer when to the supplier who indicated that this could be done. We got parts for the durability E450s and the revised spindle when in to production. We never had another tie rod disconnect, so the tape engage improvement was the fix. Even though we never had any field complaints, I still felt relieved we had identified the root cause and had a fix that worked.

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired

 

[Mokume]

That site always seemed sketchy to me as well as is overpriced.

Glad I'm not the only one who got the same impression, their prices are obscenely unrealistic.
Not to mention shipping costs to Hawaii...

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