Not a Ranger, but dealer pricing games info.

[Russd]

Little market adjustment here..

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[AzScorpion]

Little market adjustment here..

So much for Ford cracking down on their dealers for these ridiculous adjustments.

 

[Jason B]

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Or,save the shipping fiasco and allow me to pick the freaking thing up at the factory.

It rolls off the line in Michigan, they pdi it at the factory and I arrive to pick it up.

Instead of the truck sitting in a rail yard for days, weeks or even months.

Hell, you can buy a BMW from the states fly to Germany to pick it up at the factory, drive around Europe and then ship the thing back to the states.

Yeah, but most BMW's sold in the states are either mad in the US or Mexico.

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• Brazil – Manaus
• Egypt – Cairo
• Germany – Eisenach
• Great Britain – Goodwood and Swindon
• Indonesia – Jakarta
• India – Chennai
• Italy – Cassinetta
• Malaysia – Kuala Lumpur
• Mexico – San Luis Potosi
• Russia – Kaliningrad
• South Africa – Rosslyn
• Thailand – Rayong
• United States – Spartanburg, SC and Moses Lake, WA

 

[Rocketeer61]

When I purchased off a lot in mid October of this year I paid $1,500 ADM for my Ranger. Not proud of it but I repeat it so that other people get a realistic picture of what the buying market was like at the time. My salesman told me numbers for the Maverick and Bronco that seemed in line with what you are saying. He said they add $20,000 ADM for a Bronco and $15,000 for a Maverick. That said, they started at $7,500 markup for my Ranger and we walked down throughout the afternoon..

Agree the madness is slowing down. I was hoping it would be over by now, even. Stealerships, man, I tell ya.

Stealerships. Now why didn't I think of that?!

 

[JimJa]

A good family friend is one of the largest Ford dealers in the U.S. (he also sells GM and Chyslers too) I've ordered all my vehicles from over the last 30 years and my father before me. He does not charge above MSRP. We've talked frankly about the business. He tells me he is making a lot more profit on each vehicle, but moving a lot fewer vehicles - because he cannot get them. Last week told me Ford (and obviously other makes as well) cannot get many of their ordered vehicles simply because there is a significant shortage of truck drivers, which compounds the chip shortage.

I've asked him, as well as several other dealerships, "How many customers do not care what a vehicle costs, only their monthly payments." Most responses are around 75% but a dealer in San Diego mentioned 90-95%. The San Diego dealer was marking up F150 Raptors $25K, Focus RS $7.5K. It's crazy why someone would not drive out of state to buy at MSRP or less.

 

[Jason B]

Supply and demand. Same with computer parts, especially video card. When the 3000 series came out, MSRP on a 3070Ti was about $600. Because of mining and scalpers, they are now twice that.

 

[jeez]

My elderly parents just when through the car buying process to purchase an SUV. Dealers that have SUVs in stock do not charge markup prices. Instead they charge MSRP + $499 window tint + $1995 ceramic coating + $250 floor mats + $500 roof rack, on and on...

You cannot refuse any of the dealer add-ons.

Always ask for the contract for the add ons. What you'll see is that typically they say something like, "Not a requirement for purchasing or for financing". Look for that then simply tell them, no thank you on those. OF course, the sales manager does have the option of forcing it, but if it's that important (and it was for me, btw), you can walk away, but always ask for each contract for the dealer add on, which should always be part of your financing package.

 

[Dr_Strangelove]

It's absolutely a regional phenomenon as well. I cannot fathom a dealership getting away with ADM in the rural town I grew up in. In Las Vegas, NV you can charge somebody to walk through a door, unfortunately.

 

[Friday yet?]

A good family friend is one of the largest Ford dealers in the U.S. (he also sells GM and Chyslers too) I've ordered all my vehicles from over the last 30 years and my father before me. He does not charge above MSRP. We've talked frankly about the business. He tells me he is making a lot more profit on each vehicle, but moving a lot fewer vehicles - because he cannot get them. Last week told me Ford (and obviously other makes as well) cannot get many of their ordered vehicles simply because there is a significant shortage of truck drivers, which compounds the chip shortage.

I've asked him, as well as several other dealerships, "How many customers do not care what a vehicle costs, only their monthly payments." Most responses are around 75% but a dealer in San Diego mentioned 90-95%. The San Diego dealer was marking up F150 Raptors $25K, Focus RS $7.5K. It's crazy why someone would not drive out of state to buy at MSRP or less.

Too many Americans focus on "payment." Sad. Says quite a bit about the general ignorance of our overall population.

 

[rydfree]

If I had a chunk of Gold for sale with a market value of 10k; and I had 20 folks show up at my house to buy it, I'm selling it to the highest bidder, and getting much more than 10k. One of the folks who shows up has been saving to buy this chunk of gold for years and just now scrapped up the last few dollars. Does he have the "right" to be pissed that it went for more than he could afford?

If I had a deposit on a similar chunk of gold from you and you started selling chunks to walk up bidders first then yes , I have the right to be pissed . Seems to be Fords business model of late .

 

[AzScorpion]

Too many Americans focus on "payment." Sad. Says quite a bit about the general ignorance of our overall population.

I put A LOT of the blame on the school system too. I mean kids have no clue what principal and interest is or how to even balance a checkbook. Never mind that some can't even tell time on a conventional clock.

 

[JimJa]

If I had a deposit on a similar chunk of gold from you and you started selling chunks to walk up bidders first then yes , I have the right to be pissed . Seems to be Fords business model of late .

Neither you or Adam should be pissed. It's called Capitalism. How many folks are out of the housing market because of the very thing you've described. It's not Ford's business model, it's the dealer and the dealers, just like any retailer, wants to make as much money as possible on his products. It's the way things are and, yes, it hurts the guy that has saved for years only to be aced out of a purchase. At one time or another it's happened to all of us. In any event, now is not the time to be taking on a lot of debt, like a new vehicle, let alone paying over MSRP for one.

 

[rydfree]

Neither you or Adam should be pissed. It's called Capitalism.

There's a difference in capitalism and being unethical . A lot of the Bronco , Maverick and Lightning ADMs are downright unethical . I'm sure not everyone shares the same beliefs as I but I find most views such as yours are from dealerships , lawyers or politicians .

 

[JimJa]

Marking up over MSRP is not unethical, scamming you is. It's when any retailer does something behind your back and tries to stick you for it, that's unethical. Remember, you don't have to take the deal. Years ago I bought a Honda Accord. The salesman said he would give me "X" for my trade in. When the Honda came in three weeks later he said he could only give me "X- $300". That was unethical, but his deal was in front of me, take or leave it and of course the new Honda was parked right out front. I told him I wanted my deposit back...with interest and I wanted it now because I was walking. His mouth and left. The next day the sales manager called begging me to take the new deal. I told him what he was doing was unethical (I used stronger words) said no and he gave me the deal previously agreed to. While in Hawaii a former boss was looking for a new BMW. The dealer in Honolulu had marked up the car $2500. When asked the dealer said it was for shipping because cars were shipped to the west coast and they had to pay for shipping to Hawaii. My boss then asked why does the manufactures' window sticker say FOB Honolulu. Caught in an unethical act. The majority of times we have the opportunity to take or leave a deal, but only if you recognize what is happening. BTW, I am none of those things you noted; salesman, politician, or lawyer. I'm a 30 year military officer, long since retired.

 

[Jhbryaniv]

I put A LOT of the blame on the school system too. I mean kids have no clue what principal and interest is or how to even balance a checkbook. Never mind that some can't even tell time on a conventional clock.

A checkbook, is that like venmo?

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