Had a fire in the cabin. All kinds of issues. Help!?!?

[Msfitoy]

Wow!

Good thing you weren't injured and had come back to your truck 20 minutes later. Or maybe it would've been better to let it burn and get a new one because it looks like a lot of damage there. Were there any aftermarket mods, dash cam or lights that could've caused this?

Maybe...

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[Bawest]

The damage at least in the pic is Harness # 14A005
P/N: KB3Z-14A005- (?)
This will need a VIN cross reference for the (-)

Its hard to see exactly what wires are damaged in the pics, you may (should) also have some blown fuses - BUT repair the wiring before replacing any fuse (or you may set the airbags off)

You may get lucky by just repairing wiring but it will need a deep check of the complete circuit as the truck has been powered up with damaged wires, its unknown of somewhere else in the circuit did not take heat damage.

You also want to be careful and disable the Airbags before touching anything, fuse may already be blown, but to ensure the system is deenergized perform the following, note the BECMB module has the ability to provide power even with key off under certain conditions.

The purpose of the below is to ensure you do not have a short providing power to the circuit even with the fuses pulled.


SRS Fault Present

1. Turn the ignition OFF.
2. Remove the RCM fuse or if equipped, BECMB fuse(s). Refer to Wiring Diagram Cell 11/Section 700-01 for fuse and relay information.

Edit: NOTE: BECMB = BCM (Fuse Panel - Fuse 14 & 19)

1. For a vehicle equipped with a 3 blade BECMB / GWM fuse, install a 2 blade 10A fuse at the GWM position to allow the scan tool to communicate with the vehicle network.
2. Turn the ignition ON.
3. Using a diagnostic scan tool, carry out a Network Test. Verify that the RCM and, if equipped, BECMB does not respond to the Network Test. If the RCM or BECMB pass the Network Test, remove the correct RCM or BECMB fuse and repeat the Network Test to verify before proceeding.
4. Turn the ignition OFF.
5. Disconnect the battery.
   Refer to: Battery Disconnect and Connect (414-01 Battery, Mounting and Cables, General Procedures).
6. Wait at least one minute before continuing vehicle service.

I'll print this out and follow it tonight. Thanks

 

[Bawest]

What's the difference between KB3Z and KB3T?

 

[AzScorpion]

Maybe...

Sid secretly wants to be a pilot.

Coincidence...I think not!

 

[Retirednavy2010]

I went fishing. Came back to the truck 20 minutes later and black smoke was rolling out of the cracked open driver's window.

I ended up driving it home but I have all kinds of errors and warnings. Can you explain why or tell me what to look at?

The fire burnt through the center console and melted the wire harness on the floor.

First error is pre collision will not work. Air bag warning light. Stability system malfunction. Rear seat belt restraint system malfunction.

I tried to remove the burnt wires by splicing them to cut out the melted/bare wires.

The air bags look like they're in good shape but I'm worried about the one above the driver door. It got really hot. Is there something in that air bag that could send a code?

The front camera looks good but I'm sure it got hot also. Cleaned it and reinstalled.

I'm not a smart man, but that is what insurance is for. You pay premiums monthly, let them fix it. Just sayin!

 

[Bawest]

Maybe I'm not smart....

Not really helpful.... But....No full coverage insurance.

When I had full coverage, I had a deductible of $1000 anyway which is more than I have right now.

Full coverage costs $125 per month. I haven't had it for 2 years. That's $3000 that I haven't paid. Plus the deductible of $1000 is $4k.

So, if I had insurance, it would cost me $4k to"fix it" versus the $800 I have paid now.

But, maybe I'm stupid, it would have been easier. But then, I would probably have to rent a car while it's in the shop.

 

[Trustable]

I guess one tip I would have is maybe do an ozone generator to get rid of the smell. Assuming it smells like smoke and plastic.

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

I'm not a smart man, but that is what insurance is for. You pay premiums monthly, let them fix it. Just sayin!

either but some insurance companies have clauses in their policies that specifically exclude coverage due to lithium ion battery fires. Unfortunately, even with comprehensive coverage, OP might still have been on the hook for this.

I can’t imagine how I would feel if this happened to me.

Brooke - hang in there!

 

[airline tech]

From the pics posted and the unseen damage

Here is at least the harness routing for 14A005.
Note (Blue Highlighted) = Routing and both diagrams show all connections

Ref: Question - KB3Z & KB3T
References Ford Product Division that handles it.
T= Heavy Truck Division
z= Ford Cust Service Division
As I said the most important part of the PN is the dash number as that will note (wiring pinout) options that are on the specific trim.

Somewhere on that harness should be a PN Tag that will show the dash number

For the most part (what I understand) is the the (Assembly Line - Production) will be (T) and outside of that the dash will be (Z)

Both (Seat Belt) receptacles need inspected as they have wires and the parking brake has a switch on it.

Rear Console has the power outlets and under the cup holders is the PATS Center Antenna (If PB Start)

If you choose to only repair the wiring, note the twisted pair wires must remain twisted, those are the Can Bus wires as they appear to be some of the damaged wires.

 

[Retirednavy2010]

either but some insurance companies have clauses in their policies that specifically exclude coverage due to lithium ion battery fires. Unfortunately, even with comprehensive coverage, OP might still have been on the hook for this.

I can’t imagine how I would feel if this happened to me.

Brooke - hang in there!

If lithium batteries are so explosive why do we keep using them? Oh yes, because they save the world from terrible polution. Gosh, i forgot to quite thinking with my right lobe of the grey matter.

 

[Bawest]

Thanks for the wire info. I may as well take the carpet out and pressure wash it now

I ordered a wire from eBay but the seller came back and said they had lost it. They cancelled the order. Dang

 

[Bawest]

Know where to get a SRS module?

 

[RangerBill]

Know where to get a SRS module?

Here are some eBay listings:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=kb3t-14b321-bd&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313

 

[RangerBill]

I did put a radio in..... But it still works. Lol.
I think it was the battery pack in a purse sitting on the console. But not sure

Have you thought about contacting the manufacture of the battery pack about the damage that was caused to your truck? Maybe they will reimburse you for the repairs.

 

[airline tech]

If replacing the RCM - use Forscan to read the old module (As-Built) files as you will need the files to be able to reprogram the replacement RCM.
It has the VIN# programmed to it.
It will need reprogrammed to match your VIN#
So from RCM As-Built File - take a picture of it and then when the new one is installed it will hold the old truck VIN # and you will need to go in and edit those lines.
or you can save the file and then reload that file to the (new/used) module

This is where it may get tricky, as the RCM may not power up and communicate with a (mis-matched) VIN # (Trial & Error) here and may require Ford (FDRS) to connect to the Ford Servers to get it to program
You have to be able to get it powered up to program it using either method and with this module having a Invalid VIN# programmed to it (MAY) generate it not to power up.
as if replacing with (new) blank it will allow a PMI for new programming
Just wanted to point this out as it (MAY) provide a roadblock (IDK) you would have to try it.
This is a drawback of Can Bus Messaging

VIN# in Hex Data Format
Hex Lines:
737-01-01 - VIN# 1-5
737-01-02 - VIN# 6-10
737-01-03 - VIN# 11-15
737-01-04- VIN# 16-17

The other hex lines should be the same for all trims

If by chance the RCM is dead and wont power up use this and download all your As-Built Files
scroll down to module address (737) this is the RCM Files

You can save this as a file but it will be a (ab file)
I just save the file as a PDF and then open and view the file

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