Roush vs. Ford Performance Tune?

[bbeverag]

Yeah..... Too many individuals don't understand that the factory powertrain warranty is Downgraded with that particular tune even though it is still backed by Ford. Of course they also seem to get Downgraded and Void mixed up thinking they mean the same thing.

The factory powertrain warranty is not downgraded. A tune, or any other modification cannot void or alter your warranty. If a failure can be attributed to the modification, then warranty coverage can be denied. In the case of the Ford Performance Tune, they explicitly back your warranty to 3/36k, so even if there is a failure that can be attributed to your tune, they will cover it. If you have a powertrain failure at 59k miles, it is still covered by warranty unless Ford can show the tune caused it.

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[Frenchy]

The factory powertrain warranty is not downgraded. A tune, or any other modification cannot void or alter your warranty. If a failure can be attributed to the modification, then warranty coverage can be denied. In the case of the Ford Performance Tune, they explicitly back your warranty to 3/36k, so even if there is a failure that can be attributed to your tune, they will cover it. If you have a powertrain failure at 59k miles, it is still covered by warranty unless Ford can show the tune caused it.

Apparently you did not reach the post right before mine. I'm not the only person who has confirmed this. Fort can do what they would like even with their own backed tune

 

[DROZ23]

Jb4 is pure trash, its data looks like it was drawn by a 4 year old, it fakes signals beyond the capabilities of the fuel system all while doing absolutely nothing for the transmission behavior.

Night day from Stock. Absolutely worth the Dollar per HP. Use sport mode. It's not a race track Trans tune but it is fine. It is sufficient for the trade off. The software is not the best but enough. There are Things you just don't get with ECU tunes without buying more and more Tunes. You can go from 87 octane up to full E30 with a click. Plus plus. or I get a ECU tune and Piggyback with the JB4. Honestly I don't understand why there is so much FUD about it.

There are better solutions. All of them void Warranties. ECU tunes Void Everything. I am not interested in that right now. Even the Factory warranty is Void with the Ford Performance ProCal 4. It's replaces with Ford Performance coverage. The details are different on that coverage.

The warranty would be to only reason to go Rousch or FPT. There are so many better ones for cheaper. There is no changing the Procal 4 after the fact. No upgrade to different fuel settings. Nothing. It is not transferrable, In fact it is VIN locked. All the money for 45HP and camo screen with no adjustability. Once I make decision on a full tune, It will be worth the JB4's usefulness. Then I'll sell the JB4 for about half of what I paid. Or Piggyback it with a custom Map.

 

[Loweredon33s]

Night day from Stock. Absolutely worth the Dollar per HP. Use sport mode. It's not a race track Trans tune but it is fine. It is sufficient for the trade off. The software is not the best but enough. There are Things you just don't get with ECU tunes without buying more and more Tunes. You can go from 87 octane up to full E30 with a click. Plus plus. or I get a ECU tune and Piggyback with the JB4. Honestly I don't understand why there is so much FUD about it.

There are better solutions. All of them void Warranties. ECU tunes Void Everything. I am not interested in that right now. Even the Factory warranty is Void with the Ford Performance ProCal 4. It's replaces with Ford Performance coverage. The details are different on that coverage.

The warranty would be to only reason to go Rousch or FPT. There are so many better ones for cheaper. There is no changing the Procal 4 after the fact. No upgrade to different fuel settings. Nothing. It is not transferrable, In fact it is VIN locked. All the money for 45HP and camo screen with no adjustability. Once I make decision on a full tune, It will be worth the JB4's usefulness. Then I'll sell the JB4 for about half of what I paid. Or Piggyback it with a custom Map.

That’s a lot of words for you to just say it ain’t great.
That shit is trash man. A real tune from a real tuner is better in every single way. Safety features don’t work when the ecu is being tricked into believing it’s making less load. A real tune actually accentuates and works in harmony with the factory calibration and it’s calculations rather than altering signals and lying to the ecu to make it do bad things and make bad decisions based on false data. This lying technique means that the transmission management is also making decisions based off lies meaning it doesn’t know how much power is really coming out of the engine to properly control the transmission for that power. I can go on but it’s just too much writing to say……
TRASH

 

[ControlNode]

And, if you think that JB4 can't void your warranty, LOL. When your ECU throws some errors it will capture freeze frame data, so even if you remove it, if the tech knows what they are looking at when reviewing the freezeframe they can tell there was garbage data into the ECU and know there was a device there modifying the inputs, that allow should void a warranty because the ECU can't protect without real data.

 

[Frenchy]

Night day from Stock. Absolutely worth the Dollar per HP. Use sport mode. It's not a race track Trans tune but it is fine. It is sufficient for the trade off. The software is not the best but enough. There are Things you just don't get with ECU tunes without buying more and more Tunes. You can go from 87 octane up to full E30 with a click. Plus plus. or I get a ECU tune and Piggyback with the JB4. Honestly I don't understand why there is so much FUD about it.

There are better solutions. All of them void Warranties. ECU tunes Void Everything. I am not interested in that right now. Even the Factory warranty is Void with the Ford Performance ProCal 4. It's replaces with Ford Performance coverage. The details are different on that coverage.

The warranty would be to only reason to go Rousch or FPT. There are so many better ones for cheaper. There is no changing the Procal 4 after the fact. No upgrade to different fuel settings. Nothing. It is not transferrable, In fact it is VIN locked. All the money for 45HP and camo screen with no adjustability. Once I make decision on a full tune, It will be worth the JB4's usefulness. Then I'll sell the JB4 for about half of what I paid. Or Piggyback it with a custom Map.

I love how you are just trying to defend and justify the purchase of a poor piece of equipment. If you wanted a tune(and did not want to keep paying for extra tunes) then you should have gone to Livernois. Besides the Engine, the Transmission gets touched too and all the safety parameters are still in place. You also get 3 tunes to start and it does not take much to get another tune added.

VIN locked you say? Well technically yes because every vehicle is different. That said for a small reasonable fee if you end up selling the Ranger and get another Ranger(or other supported Ford Vehicle) you can have it reset and ready for the next.

 

[DROZ23]

I love how you are just trying to defend and justify the purchase of a poor piece of equipment. If you wanted a tune(and did not want to keep paying for extra tunes) then you should have gone to Livernois. Besides the Engine, the Transmission gets touched too and all the safety parameters are still in place. You also get 3 tunes to start and it does not take much to get another tune added.

VIN locked you say? Well technically yes because every vehicle is different. That said for a small reasonable fee if you end up selling the Ranger and get another Ranger(or other supported Ford Vehicle) you can have it reset and ready for the next.

Great thing is, it doesn't matter what people say about it because I am doing what works for me. It seems a lot like people are attacking the idea because it is not what they did. This is the main reason stay away from forums. It is bc you get these FUDers that have it all worked out, and know how this should be done. Echo Chamber. But do you? I have been on hundreds of forums that did it a different way. They appear to have a similar experience as I am. Hmmm. Bimmers, Supras, Mustang owners. If it was blowing transmissions and ruining motors then I would have noticed that, but I didn't. So do what you want, tell people what you wish. I am just putting out my experience.

 

[DROZ23]

I love how you are just trying to defend and justify the purchase of a poor piece of equipment. If you wanted a tune(and did not want to keep paying for extra tunes) then you should have gone to Livernois. Besides the Engine, the Transmission gets touched too and all the safety parameters are still in place. You also get 3 tunes to start and it does not take much to get another tune added.

VIN locked you say? Well technically yes because every vehicle is different. That said for a small reasonable fee if you end up selling the Ranger and get another Ranger(or other supported Ford Vehicle) you can have it reset and ready for the next.

That’s a lot of words for you to just say it ain’t great.
That shit is trash man. A real tune from a real tuner is better in every single way. Safety features don’t work when the ecu is being tricked into believing it’s making less load. A real tune actually accentuates and works in harmony with the factory calibration and it’s calculations rather than altering signals and lying to the ecu to make it do bad things and make bad decisions based on false data. This lying technique means that the transmission management is also making decisions based off lies meaning it doesn’t know how much power is really coming out of the engine to properly control the transmission for that power. I can go on but it’s just too much writing to say……
TRASH

Great thing is, it doesn't matter what people say about it because I am doing what works for me. It seems a lot like people are attacking the idea because it is not what they did. This is the main reason stay away from forums. It is bc you get these FUDers that have it all worked out, and know how this should be done. Echo Chamber. But do you? I have been on hundreds of forums that did it a different way. They appear to have a similar experience as I am. Hmmm. Bimmers, Supras, Mustang owners. If it was blowing transmissions and ruining motors then I would have noticed that, but I didn't. So do what you want, tell people what you wish. I am just putting out my experience.

 

[bbeverag]

Even the Factory warranty is Void with the Ford Performance ProCal 4. It's replaces with Ford Performance coverage. The details are different on that coverage.

This is a false statement. The 3/36 warranty that you reference is augmenting your factory warranty, not replacing it. Any damage which can be attributed to the tune in the 3/36 will still be covered. Outside of that period, Ford can deny coverage but they must show the tune caused the problem. Tuning your car does not void any part of your warranty.

 

[Loweredon33s]

Great thing is, it doesn't matter what people say about it because I am doing what works for me. It seems a lot like people are attacking the idea because it is not what they did. This is the main reason stay away from forums. It is bc you get these FUDers that have it all worked out, and know how this should be done. Echo Chamber. But do you? I have been on hundreds of forums that did it a different way. They appear to have a similar experience as I am. Hmmm. Bimmers, Supras, Mustang owners. If it was blowing transmissions and ruining motors then I would have noticed that, but I didn't. So do what you want, tell people what you wish. I am just putting out my experience.

Glad you’re happy playing with fire when perfectly controlled options exist with way less potential consequences and way more potential performance.

 

[DROZ23]

This is a false statement. The 3/36 warranty that you reference is augmenting your factory warranty, not replacing it. Any damage which can be attributed to the tune in the 3/36 will still be covered. Outside of that period, Ford can deny coverage but they must show the tune caused the problem. Tuning your car does not void any part of your warranty.

I am done. Ford Performance it self details the rules around using that product and the warranty that follows. To augment means to change. If it changes, then it is different. I said nothing more, nothing less. If you tune out side of FPT or Roush, you are certainly not getting covered. If you have a Extended Warranty and FPT, your done at 3 years.

Below is from the Bronco5G and a conversation with ford about their warranty.
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...-model-year-2-3-and-2-7-are-live.70839/page-8

"I was all excited about this thinking that it wouldn't affect warranty. To be safe, I chatted with Ford about my 10 year ESP plan, who mentioned the 3y/36mo offered by Ford Performance but deferred the ESP question to Grainger, where I purchased it from.

Long story short you're out of luck beyond the 3yr/36mo and any "related" repair under ESP would not be covered. That could be interpreted as just about any drive train component.

Ford's response in chat:

The tune does not void the manufacturer warranty, however it can affect warranty claims related to the tune which is why Ford Performance offers a limited warranty for 3 year 36,000 miles from the warranty start date of the vehicle. After that period, any issues would be up to the owner. As for extended service plans, I would recommend reading your contract and talking to your ESP rep for how aftermarket parts can affect your extended warranty contract."

Now here is the response for the same thread about the Extended Coverage

"Related language in the ESP contract from Grainger:

What is not covered by this agreement - Repairs caused by...

... alterations or modifications of the Vehicle, including the body, chassis, or components, after the Vehicle leaves the control of the manufacturer

...tampering with the emissions systems or with the other parts that affect these systems ( as for example, but not limited to; exhaust and intake systems)

...the installation or use of any part not approved by, or authorized by, the Vehicle's manufacturer ( other than "certified" emission parts), or any part designated for "off - road use only" installed after the Vehicle leaves the manufacturer's control. Examples of such parts include, but are not limited to: lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance - enhancing powertrain components. "



Almost all ESP or Extended warranty's cover "From Factory only Spec", Any augment voids that warranty extension." If you want to get a tune and go hells highway until 3/36k and trade it? that is you. If you are want to at least try to get around that, a FPT is not it. They know the moment you register the tune.

So the FPT guarantees you will not have coverage after 3 years full stop. Is a lower performance upgrade comparatively, Is expensive to buy, expensive to install. This is undeniable. What options does that leave you with? You decide. I am going to do me and that is that.

I don't see many tuners out there offering Extended coverage for their services. This Includes Ford Performance. So ask yourself why. Why does Ford sell a overpriced tune that is basically what the 2.3l Mustangs get stock. Then not offer any help past manufacture terms. At ANY Price!! Even 25% of the vehicle price, you could make a argument for extending the coverage for Performance tunes by Ford. That would be a 1 and 4 chance they would have to pony up for repairs. Hmmm.

 

[bbeverag]

The tune does not void the manufacturer warranty, however it can affect warranty claims related to the tune which is why Ford Performance offers a limited warranty for 3 year 36,000 miles from the warranty start date of the vehicle. After that period, any issues would be up to the owner. As for extended service plans, I would recommend reading your contract and talking to your ESP rep for how aftermarket parts can affect your extended warranty contract."

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So the FPT guarantees you will not have coverage after 3 years full stop. Is a lower performance upgrade comparatively, Is expensive to buy, expensive to install. This is undeniable. What options does that leave you with? You decide. I am going to do me and that is that.

What you included in your post from Ford literally means the opposite of what you are trying to say. Here is the text from ford.com:

fpp-warranty.pdf (ford.com)

Performance Packs and Components are warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship when correctly and completely installed on a late model Ford vehicle by an authorized Ford or Lincoln Dealer, Shelby American, Inc., or an automotive service technician certified by the Institute for Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) or endorsed by the Red Seal Program (RSE). This Performance Packs and Components Limited Warranty begins upon installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Performance and remains in effect for the balance of 36 months or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, calculated from the start date of the manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

Installation of these select Ford Performance warranted performance packs and components by an authorized installer will NOT void your New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Engine, driveline and suspension concerns not caused by the use of Ford Performance parts remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.

It is not worth my time to try to convince you otherwise, you clearly cannot read the text you are copy and pasting yourself let alone what others type in. But hopefully other people reading this thread can read and comprehend before they post and enjoy the text above. And if anyone doesn't want to click the link, I'll save you the trouble, it explicitly lists Power Upgrade Pack w/Calibration: M-9603-REB (2019-20) which is the same part sold for Rangers through 2023.

 

[DROZ23]

What you included in your post from Ford literally means the opposite of what you are trying to say. Here is the text from ford.com:



It is not worth my time to try to convince you otherwise, you clearly cannot read the text you are copy and pasting yourself let alone what others type in. But hopefully other people reading this thread can read and comprehend before they post and enjoy the text above. And if anyone doesn't want to click the link, I'll save you the trouble, it explicitly lists Power Upgrade Pack w/Calibration: M-9603-REB (2019-20) which is the same part sold for Rangers through 2023.

You are correct, I didn't bother because it;s pointless. Go break something and then comeback and tell us how well they treat you.

I'd rather here from someone who had to take there truck in under these conditions and reports all is well. They don't, bc that is why everyone talks about this. They find a way to screw you out of what you thought was the deal. There is the real issue. If it didn't get them off the hook then the trucks would come that way. Now you can stop with the nit picking and understand the narrative.

 

[Loweredon33s]

Let’s get back to the real topic….. trash.

 

[DROZ23]

Let’s get back to the real topic….. trash.

What mad person has to just dump on other people for having a different perspective. You do you. It will be OK.

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