SSM 51754 2023 Bronco/Ranger/Explorer - 2.3L Engine - Loss Of Coolant With Coolant In Oil - Built On 27-Mar-2023 And Through 18-May-2023

[subquark]

XXL??? ??

Soupie's an XL because I'm short and stocky, so I didn't need the XLTall ...

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[subquark]

I guess no one here ever owned a Pinto?

No, but I did have a '76 Chevette!

 

[9zero1790]

You know what to blame for that XXL!

man that brown gravy .... every time

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[puckdodger]

so ive never built a new engine or worked on a line making engines but i have worked on several engines. busted knuckles every weekend as kid to keep my junker first truck running etc. but i gotta throw this out to yall for info... is it not fairly essay to spot a cracked block or catch early like after the first start up ??? in my mind it would be fairly easy to notice a cracked block during the assembly and at least during an inspection or in delivery process. i mean they do have to start them and drive the cars and trucks to get them to a truck train or dealer. id hope they check the oil and other fluids at some point... so should things like this not be caught before customers get the truck or is a cracked block a hard to notice or find thing ???

I worked on the engine dress line at GM Oshawa making Chebbie Impalas, Buick Regals and Pontiac Grand Prix for about half of my 35 years, doing pretty much every operation there was to do. I would think an obvious crack, like the kind when the guy hits it with the forklift while he was unloading the trailer would get caught almost immediately. A fine crack that could cause failure could be anywhere and pretty hard to see without looking for that particular defect. Plus, most times the operators have their assigned tasks to complete in a short cycle time, we were making 1 engine/transmission every 45 seconds so the extra care that goes into your basic Ferrari, well let's just say we didn't have that same level of personal investment in each powerplant.

And once the cars or trucks are assembled the cooling system and AC and brake systems are vacuum tested.

Yes this should have been caught, moreso at the foundry or engine assembly plant but there seems to be excuses for everything being a piece of shit these days and it's really starting to piss me off that these giant Corps can make huge product launches for billions of dollars affecting how many people's livelihoods and it shits the bed and none of them are ever held accountable.

In other news, I'm starting to think I need to either get a job or a hobby and stop becoming an old man yelling about the way things used to be???

 

[9zero1790]

I worked on the engine dress line at GM Oshawa making Chebbie Impalas, Buick Regals and Pontiac Grand Prix for about half of my 35 years, doing pretty much every operation there was to do. I would think an obvious crack, like the kind when the guy hits it with the forklift while he was unloading the trailer would get caught almost immediately. A fine crack that could cause failure could be anywhere and pretty hard to see without looking for that particular defect. Plus, most times the operators have their assigned tasks to complete in a short cycle time, we were making 1 engine/transmission every 45 seconds so the extra care that goes into your basic Ferrari, well let's just say we didn't have that same level of personal investment in each powerplant.

And once the cars or trucks are assembled the cooling system and AC and brake systems are vacuum tested.

Yes this should have been caught, moreso at the foundry or engine assembly plant but there seems to be excuses for everything being a piece of shit these days and it's really starting to piss me off that these giant Corps can make huge product launches for billions of dollars affecting how many people's livelihoods and it shits the bed and none of them are ever held accountable.

In other news, I'm starting to think I need to either get a job or a hobby and stop becoming an old man yelling about the way things used to be???

wow 45 seconds . takes me longer than that to decide what i stood up for.

 

[AzScorpion]

I worked on the engine dress line at GM Oshawa making Chebbie Impalas, Buick Regals and Pontiac Grand Prix for about half of my 35 years, doing pretty much every operation there was to do. I would think an obvious crack, like the kind when the guy hits it with the forklift while he was unloading the trailer would get caught almost immediately. A fine crack that could cause failure could be anywhere and pretty hard to see without looking for that particular defect. Plus, most times the operators have their assigned tasks to complete in a short cycle time, we were making 1 engine/transmission every 45 seconds so the extra care that goes into your basic Ferrari, well let's just say we didn't have that same level of personal investment in each powerplant.

And once the cars or trucks are assembled the cooling system and AC and brake systems are vacuum tested.

Yes this should have been caught, moreso at the foundry or engine assembly plant but there seems to be excuses for everything being a piece of shit these days and it's really starting to piss me off that these giant Corps can make huge product launches for billions of dollars affecting how many people's livelihoods and it shits the bed and none of them are ever held accountable.

I'm starting to think I need to either get a job or a hobby and stop becoming an old man yelling about the way things used to be???

Yeah, we can hear you all the way down here now.

 

[87TxAg]

So I guess I need to check things

 

[Langwilliams]

My brother retired from Ford 15 years ago. He's been working for a parts supplier for several years now. If there's a potential problem with a part or a few failures have been reported the supplier has guys like him inspect parts at a warehouse before they're sent over to the assembly line. Sometimes they check thousands of parts an never find a bad one, sometimes one out of 20 are rejected. I was just wondering if anyone looks over the major components for damage from the shipping process or if they just throw them on the line.

 

[subquark]

Cracked engine block? No problem.

I did fix a cracked tractor transmission case with it and it went on to last for the next two years of my commercial brush clearing.

 

[puckdodger]

My brother retired from Ford 15 years ago. He's been working for a parts supplier for several years now. If there's a potential problem with a part or a few failures have been reported the supplier has guys like him inspect parts at a warehouse before they're sent over to the assembly line. Sometimes they check thousands of parts an never find a bad one, sometimes one out of 20 are rejected. I was just wondering if anyone looks over the major components for damage from the shipping process or if they just throw them on the line.

Generally speaking, unless there is an obvious problem, or the color match is way off or some other out of spec condition affecting the fit is evident, the parts go on the next unit. If a problem was discovered, most times an audit of the previous 25 jobs was done and if a defect in that sample was caught then larger and larger sample groups are checked until the problem is isolated and corrected by workers like your brother.

 

[Rp930]

I guess no one here ever owned a Pinto?

I did.

 

[Bob902]

No, but I did have a '76 Chevette!

A guy in high school had one. Tried to kill it, but couldn't.

 

[MountainGoat]

I guess no one here ever owned a Pinto?

?

 

[Fordup]

?

I only had the timing belt blow every couple thousand miles

 

[Motorpsychology]

No, but I did have a '76 Chevette!

GM reimagined the Trabant.

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