Another transmission thread (yay)

[TORQUERULES]

It seems confused at low speed and sudden throttle lift...

Stop and go traffic can really give it a migraine for a while until you drive it normally again and get it back into a routine or clear the TCM adaptive tables and start over.

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[Shoran12]

I think Ford going to axe the ICE within a decade or two...

They may try but when we start seeing major power grid failures (oh wait that’s already happening) something will give. I’m guessing it’ll be rationing power (oh wait that’s also already happened). They’re really going to dig themselves into a hole they can’t get out of at some point unless they can fix not only the power grid but the complete bureaucracy on how the supply of power is handled in this country. Not to mention the countless other countries that can’t support EVs.

 

[Shoran12]

Stop and go traffic can really give it a migraine for a while until you drive it normally again and get it back into a routine or clear the TCM adaptive tables and start over.

Just unhooked my battery again in hopes that clearing the adaptives helps. Shifting slightly better now but who knows how long that’ll last. I’d pay for a tune if I knew that that would for sure fix my problems. Been pricing out trucks for the last day or so. At 6k miles I’m sure I’ll take a hit but damn it’s frustrating driving right now. Tow mode just lurches me forward every downshift when coming to a stop and at 30 going up my street is just rumble strips and then it hangs for a few seconds while I’m giving it gas until it’ll actually downshift. Driving my wife’s highlander, that thing will always be 1000-1400 rpm and in high gears but is smooth as hell. Don’t know why these rangers bog down so much when other vehicles don’t.

 

[Blue Streak]

Extra butter please.

 

[Msfitoy]

Extra butter please.

These threads are making me fat...

 

[Msfitoy]

They may try but when we start seeing major power grid failures (oh wait that’s already happening) something will give. I’m guessing it’ll be rationing power (oh wait that’s also already happened). They’re really going to dig themselves into a hole they can’t get out of at some point unless they can fix not only the power grid but the complete bureaucracy on how the supply of power is handled in this country. Not to mention the countless other countries that can’t support EVs.

I totally agree...replacing all ICE with EVs is delusional and not based in reality...to quote their favorite phrase, 100% EV world is not "sustainable"...there will never be enough sunshine and windmills to supply the power...

 

[FunInTheSun]

I totally agree...replacing all ICE with EVs is delusional and not based in reality...to quote their favorite phrase, 100% EV world is not "sustainable"...there will never be enough sunshine and windmills to supply the power...

Right now the low cost of electricity (10 cents a kWh) has everyone salivating to get one.
But what happens to that number when they have to triple or quadruple the generation plants, plus upsize all the wiring to hold the increased current loads. Power plants aren't cheap, whether wind, water, oil, coal or nuclear, and the wiring problem will be a massive cost driver.

Eventually people will wake up and figure out that hybrid is the best transitional technology, but it won't be until the grid is already breaking down and the rates have already skyrocketed. Because it's not being driven by real demand, but by fear and propaganda.

 

[Yinzcity]

I totally agree...replacing all ICE with EVs is delusional and not based in reality...to quote their favorite phrase, 100% EV world is not "sustainable"...there will never be enough sunshine and windmills to supply the power...

I think if done right, electric cars can add some redundantcy to the grid through local storage. And charging of cars can be scheduled for off peak hours when there's more capacity. That being said, I don't think 100% EV is the way to go with where the technology is now. You see massive battery packs in the Lightning and the Hummer just to eeek out reasonable range. I think a better plan is EVs for small local/city vehicles like the bolt, PHEV vehicles for most of us that have 30-40 miles of ev range for local driving/stop and go traffic, and gas for any towing or long distance vehicles. PHEVs would require far less resources for their battery packs and still provide EV only driving for the situations where they are beneficial.

 

[Shoran12]

Right now the low cost of electricity (10 cents a kWh) has everyone salivating to get one.
But what happens to that number when they have to triple or quadruple the generation plants, plus upsize all the wiring to hold the increased current loads. Power plants aren't cheap, whether wind, water, oil, coal or nuclear, and the wiring problem will be a massive cost driver.

Eventually people will wake up and figure out that hybrid is the best transitional technology, but it won't be until the grid is already breaking down and the rates have already skyrocketed. Because it's not being driven by real demand, but by fear and propaganda.

Keep in mind also that while electricity may still be fairly priced, we’re spending billions in tax subsidies. 176 billion has been given to the big players in the wind industry for instance. So really we are paying the higher prices, it’s just hidden better. Couple all the different forms of energy subsidies with the other green bill subsidies (430 billion) and now were really paying a lot. I truly believe that until we get the vast majority of our power from nuclear energy we’re not going to see any progress forward. Seems France has gotten it figured out. 68 percent of their power comes from nuclear and they are constantly one of the top performing countries in energy. The government really hates Nuclear for some reason yet they use it everyday. There are currently around 200 Navy nuclear reactors operating right now and the Navy has never had an issue since the start of their first nuclear sub the Nautilus in 1955 and they had been doing r&d since the early 1940s. Never a single issue. If it’s clean and reliable energy we need, well there ya go. And yeah the hybrids are a great way to transition. They seem to be wanting to skip this very important step and I’m guessing it’s because of those funding the money for the push for EVs. It will bite us in the ass however.

 

[Msfitoy]

Localized EV in densely populated areas make perfect sense...I would love to have an affordable one for commuting to work and back...never for trying to get across the country or overlanding lol...

 

[dtech]

Keep in mind also that while electricity may still be fairly priced, we’re spending billions in tax subsidies. 176 billion has been given to the big players in the wind industry for instance. So really we are paying the higher prices, it’s just hidden better. Couple all the different forms of energy subsidies with the other green bill subsidies (430 billion) and now were really paying a lot. I truly believe that until we get the vast majority of our power from nuclear energy we’re not going to see any progress forward. Seems France has gotten it figured out. 68 percent of their power comes from nuclear and they are constantly one of the top performing countries in energy. The government really hates Nuclear for some reason yet they use it everyday. There are currently around 200 Navy nuclear reactors operating right now and the Navy has never had an issue since the start of their first nuclear sub the Nautilus in 1955 and they had been doing r&d since the early 1940s. Never a single issue. If it’s clean and reliable energy we need, well there ya go. And yeah the hybrids are a great way to transition. They seem to be wanting to skip this very important step and I’m guessing it’s because of those funding the money for the push for EVs. It will bite us in the ass however.

FYI , Bill Gates test of modular nuke reactor delayed because lack of fuel. in the past too many large nuclear power plants in the US have been financial failures, they are extremely capital intensive compared to other forms of energy generation. The gov in the past has funded research but may have been wise to not to get heavily involved in subsidization. Once the fuel supply issue is resolved I think we'll see these new reactors, can be built at a fraction of the cost and I believe the fuel can't be refined into weapons grade fuel.

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[dondonbabyraptor]

It seems confused at low speed and sudden throttle lift...

This actually might be my issue with the transmission. I never really had to drive super super stop n go traffic but sometimes I like to go full WOT from a stop in stop n go and its been weird. Maybe I am just overreacting to a different style of driving since my daily route now has traffic.

 

[Michel Jeanneau]

Right now the low cost of electricity (10 cents a kWh) has everyone salivating to get one.
But what happens to that number when they have to triple or quadruple the generation plants, plus upsize all the wiring to hold the increased current loads. Power plants aren't cheap, whether wind, water, oil, coal or nuclear, and the wiring problem will be a massive cost driver.

Eventually people will wake up and figure out that hybrid is the best transitional technology, but it won't be until the grid is already breaking down and the rates have already skyrocketed. Because it's not being driven by real demand, but by fear and propaganda.

Sheesh!..up here in the northeast we're looking at $0.17/kwh, that is if you shop around...AND most of that electricity comes from coal/natural gas

 

[TheRealJawg]

Hey everyone,

Longtime reader, first time poster. Figured I'd share my transmission story since it sounds like others are going through similar issues as well. Bought my Ranger last August with 27k miles on the odometer. I've been loving it so far, but I've definitely noticed some occasional harsh shifting coming from the transmission.

Most often I've noticed it after a cold start; shifting into reverse can be harsh, and when it would shift between 4 and 5 it would hesitate and then lurch into gear. For this reason I would try to remote start it whenever possible which seemed to help, but even then I would notice the odd shift every once in a while.

Took it to my local dealer (Larry H Miller Mesa) w/ around 36k on the clock, and asked them to check the transmission fluid level, and to check for any module updates for the transmission. I've had pretty good luck with this dealership so far with some other minor warranty stuff, so I figured I'd have them take a look to see what they said.

Trucks been in the shop for 3 days now, and finally got an update from them saying they're going to be replacing all of the valves in the transmission (hoping to have it back next week). I think I read somewhere that there was a TSB for the Ranger's transmission, not sure if this valve replacement is part of that TSB.

Looking forward to getting the Ranger back next week and seeing if this hopefully fixes the issues I've been noticing. I'll post an update once I have a chance to see how it behaves after the repair.

-Dan

I want to share my experience with the exact same issue.

Leaving the neighborhood doing between 25-30mph it would shift up to 4th just fine then it would act like it wanted to shift to 5th but wouldn't. After bucking a bit it would finally clunk in to 5th.

I took it in to my local dealership for a warranty check. The were able to reproduce the problem (YAY!) and decided to rebuild the valve body and reset the adaptive learning tables.

I get it back and shifting is HORRENDOUS. Where 1-3 would be unnoticeable before it was now jolting me forward and giving me whiplash with every shift. I quickly returned to the dealership and after driving in the vehicle with the shop foreman I was told "That's normal. My F150 does that too. It needs 1000 miles to re-learn". I was firm that this was not desirable but took possession of the vehicle. The shifting was terrible and it felt weak. There just wasn't as much power as before and it was a nightmare to drive.

The night I got it back I thought to myself "Well, if they just cleared the tables I can at least try clearing them again and see what happens". Popped out my laptop and loaded up Forscan and cleared the tables in 30 seconds. Took it for a test drive and BOOM! Everything was PERFECT.

So after they rebuilt the valve body it cleared up the 4th-5th issue. After I cleared the tables it made shifting like butter again and the truck is soo fun to drive again.

Hopefully this is useful or just good to know for someone

 

[TORQUERULES]

I want to share my experience with the exact same issue.

Leaving the neighborhood doing between 25-30mph it would shift up to 4th just fine then it would act like it wanted to shift to 5th but wouldn't. After bucking a bit it would finally clunk in to 5th.

I took it in to my local dealership for a warranty check. The were able to reproduce the problem (YAY!) and decided to rebuild the valve body and reset the adaptive learning tables.

I get it back and shifting is HORRENDOUS. Where 1-3 would be unnoticeable before it was now jolting me forward and giving me whiplash with every shift. I quickly returned to the dealership and after driving in the vehicle with the shop foreman I was told "That's normal. My F150 does that too. It needs 1000 miles to re-learn". I was firm that this was not desirable but took possession of the vehicle. The shifting was terrible and it felt weak. There just wasn't as much power as before and it was a nightmare to drive.

The night I got it back I thought to myself "Well, if they just cleared the tables I can at least try clearing them again and see what happens". Popped out my laptop and loaded up Forscan and cleared the tables in 30 seconds. Took it for a test drive and BOOM! Everything was PERFECT.

So after they rebuilt the valve body it cleared up the 4th-5th issue. After I cleared the tables it made shifting like butter again and the truck is soo fun to drive again.

Hopefully this is useful or just good to know for someone

Many tuners can clear the tables, like mine, and this will usually work, but only for a while. It will come back eventually. When you least expect it. I used to make a habit of clearing the TCU adaptive tables every so often, but I am now trying a different approach. I am trying to TEACH it my habits, by being very diligent on how I drive it for a 1000 miles or so since I last loaded a tune update to see how that goes. I have a pretty consistent drive right now, so we shall see. Not expecting much, but worth a try.

The tune I have worked with Torrie at Unleashed on is pretty much perfect. I just still have the occasional shift delay on the cold first shift 3-4 and 4-5, which I believe affects so many of these transmissions because of a combination of mechanical design issues, fluid viscosity, and the baked in overall programming of the TCU and the parameters it uses to determine shift behavior such as pump pressure.

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