Think I Threw a Rod....

[Dr. Zaius]

And if they are in a good mood on that particular day they (dealer) might even throw in a truck wash - on the house or at least at half price.

Maybe even fill the tires with Nitrogen...

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[D Fresh]

D Fresh, calm down, 5 Star is is helping me... Ford pretty much dumped me, understood, i planned on playing to play from the the get go, I have just never had it turn out this way... I have one dealer that won’t install an actual “FORD PERFORMANCE Exhaust, but they’ll charge every fucking penny to return my engine totally fucking stock, to reinstate my Ford Warranty for $14,000 vs maybe a $6000.00 custom build, screw the warranty, if I choose to keep it, for another 5 years etc.. I have to look at all my options... Do you want a nicely modded Ranger, under warranty? Or do you want something modified, with a warranty through 5 Star??

I'm plenty calm. I just don't understand how you haven't figured this out yet. It's been two months and you're literally in the exact same spot.

Ford doesn't owe Project Midnight anything. He modified the truck. He paid Ford to tear down the motor and they said the modifications were the issue. it's a business. What do you expect, a Hollywood CSI 2 hour report?

Now since he got a warranty from 5 Star, they owe him, unless he did something to void that warranty too.

You guys saying Ford did something wrong in all of this seem to be knee deep in the entitlement culture mindset that runs rampant in todays society.

The warranty is all there in black and white and you sign off on it when you make the purchase.

Like I said previously when you play with the devil sometimes you get the golden fiddle, sometimes the devil get's your soul. The devil doesn't hand out trophies for loosing.

If you don't like that, don't step into the devil's arena.

Project Midnight seems to be handling all this with a level head and taking responsibility for his modifications. Well played.

The dealership does, however. He has paid, or owes over a thousand dollars for teardown and inspection. Would "all the mods" be worth $1000 to you?


Plus all you people are forgetting that IF 5 Star pays for the repair it MUST be done by a Ford dealership.

So before answering wether to get it done there the FIRST question is who is paying for it.

 

[JAKE2.3]

So before answering wether to get it done there the FIRST question is who is paying for it.

That was my thought. If it's strictly on 5 star's dime, then you go wherever they want you to go. If they don't cover, one would be better off going to an independent shop and foregoing the warranty.

 

[VAMike]

Maybe even fill the tires with Nitrogen...

green valve caps FTW!

 

[Shomare]

We're at 53 pages for a 2 month old thread? This is VW Vortex content right here

Been there, done that !

 

[D Fresh]

That was my thought. If it's strictly on 5 star's dime, then you go wherever they want you to go. If they don't cover, one would be better off going to an independent shop and foregoing the warranty.

Yep.

I've got a suspiscion 5 Star denied his claim due to his failure to mitigate his losses. I.E. continuing to drive the vehicle after the failure. And he hasn't told us that.

 

[t4thfavor]

not up to speed on all their lingo....what does NONST mean?
they have the motor, the turbo, a module and looks like the air cleaner
did this destroy the turbo as well, or did you have an aftermarket turbo on it too?

i'm still with the camp that you paid for a teardown...for your benefit...not theirs, they still owe you more than a quote
and IMHO, the choice to go back to a full warranty with stock parts, is still your decision, not theirs. they dont own your truck.
As was said above....change the motor, put the right fluids in it.
Thats what you want as a customer, and you're paying them.

All I can say at this point....I dont want to pay to play, the headache, the downtime and the hassles just arent worth it to me.

Any catastrophic engine failure cooks the turbo since the oil in the engine cycles through the turbo, and after a rod leaves the crank, that oil is full of shrapnel. This shrapnel then goes through the turbo.

It might appear "good" at first glance, but it's 6 minutes from the grave 99% of the time. It's not worth taking the chance on.

 

[HenryMac]

The dealership does, however. He has paid, or owes over a thousand dollars for teardown and inspection. Would "all the mods" be worth $1000 to you?

It all depends on the specifics of the tear down contract that Project Midnight and the Ford Dealership agreed to.

It appears Project Midnight rolled the dice in regard to the inspection, with hopes it was going to be a non-tune related failure.

His decision was logical, as it was really the only option he had based on warranties. Sadly since it wasn't an independent 3rd party doing the work, some would say the outcome was a foregone conclusion.

 

[Blue Streak]

I don't understand why (if 5 Star is going to pay replace the motor) they would insist on paying the most expensive way. Just for a factory warranty on a stock motor that the OP obviously is not interested in having judging by the mods he made.

 

[Rp930]

I don't understand why (if 5 Star is going to pay replace the motor) they would insist on paying the most expensive way. Just for a factory warranty on a stock motor that the OP obviously is not interested in having judging by the mods he made.

It could be a selling point. It may or may not be the most expensive. There are plenty of good independents and plenty of bad ones. At least they have some accountability with a dealership.

 

[Strokerduster]

not up to speed on all their lingo....what does NONST mean?
they have the motor, the turbo, a module and looks like the air cleaner
did this destroy the turbo as well, or did you have an aftermarket turbo on it too?

i'm still with the camp that you paid for a teardown...for your benefit...not theirs, they still owe you more than a quote
and IMHO, the choice to go back to a full warranty with stock parts, is still your decision, not theirs. they dont own your truck.
As was said above....change the motor, put the right fluids in it.
Thats what you want as a customer, and you're paying them.

All I can say at this point....I dont want to pay to play, the headache, the downtime and the hassles just arent worth it to me.

Take note that there is $1850 in cores on that invoice that should be removed. parts appear to have been discounted some from MSRP. Ford OP Code allows 16 hours labor time at shop rate to R&R engine complete and a good portion of that would have been included in the teardown charge. Who Knows. SHOW ME the response from Ford or this thread no longer interests me.....

 

[2ford]

That's called capitalism. Their business, their choice. If they can't make money on a project, why would they take it on?

More like grand theft

 

[Rp930]

Take note that there is $1850 in cores on that invoice that should be removed. parts appear to have been discounted some from MSRP. Ford OP Code allows 16 hours labor time at shop rate to R&R engine complete and a good portion of that would have been included in the teardown charge. Who Knows. SHOW ME the response from Ford or this thread no longer interests me.....

A lot of people here think Ford has to do this or that. They do not. He violated the terms of the warranty and a component (engine) failed. I’m sure everything is a pretty shade of overheated blue. I highly doubt Ford or any other manufacturer has lost a court case when the the warranty was so clearly violated. They don’t need to “prove” or provide anything.

 

[2ford]

If I move it to another dealership, I have a feeling, I’ll have to pay for another tear down, but if they install my Ford Performance exhaust, where Mak Haik said they won’t... they’re wanting to charge me for everything to return my truck back to stock, and get it back under warranty!! This shit sucks lmao

A few things You need to do.
1. Insist on meeting with Ford's regional rep.
2. Call other Ford dealers and get a quote on engine replacement.
3. Definitely find a different dealer to do the job.

My experiences with dealers/shops they have manuals for referencing hours per job etc. Out of curiosity I called a Ford dealer and was quoted 22 hours at 139.00 per hour to swap out 2.3 in a ranger.

 

[Strokerduster]

A lot of people here think Ford has to do this or that. They do not. He violated the terms of the warranty and a component (engine) failed. I’m sure everything is a pretty shade of overheated blue. I highly doubt Ford or any other manufacturer has lost a court case when the the warranty was so clearly violated. They don’t need to “prove” or provide anything.

Not accurate. Everything you say is correct but they do have to tell him Exactly why the claim is denied and for what reason. Ford provides this to the dealer and they should in turn provide it to the customer. They DO have a basis to deny the claim from what has been posted in the last 55 pages but until it is in writing, on Ford letterhead, the fat lady hasn't sung.

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