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Yes, keep us posted, I just dropped my truck off at the dealer. Ford is having them check everything but the HPFP first, which seems to be the path everyone else has gone. I believe mine is pretty bad as I have had to change the oil every 500 miles over the last couple thousand or so, but I have never smelled a strong gas smell in the garage?
Mine went up to the twist in the stick in 60 miles after the dealer changed the oil and marked the stick!! That's when they changed the hpfp !!
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Mine went up to the twist in the stick in 60 miles after the dealer changed the oil and marked the stick!! That's when they changed the hpfp !!
How has your oil level been doing since having the hpfp replaced?
 
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Yes, keep us posted, I just dropped my truck off at the dealer. Ford is having them check everything but the HPFP first, which seems to be the path everyone else has gone. I believe mine is pretty bad as I have had to change the oil every 500 miles over the last couple thousand or so, but I have never smelled a strong gas smell in the garage?
Yeah in my case I definitely smelled fuel strongly every time I parked it. Not so noticeable in my old house with just a carport, but with a garage now it really reeked. I wasn't sure if it was associated with the fuel getting in my oil, but with the smell gone now I'm hoping they are connected. Might not be the case for everybody though.
 

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How has your oil level been doing since having the hpfp replaced?
So far so good but only about 250 miles so far. I would say the pump had to be the problem, as it went up so fast before the change. I'm just hoping it holds up and these hpfp,s we've had trouble with were just bad parts!!
 

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Yeah in my case I definitely smelled fuel strongly every time I parked it. Not so noticeable in my old house with just a carport, but with a garage now it really reeked. I wasn't sure if it was associated with the fuel getting in my oil, but with the smell gone now I'm hoping they are connected. Might not be the case for everybody though.
My case is similar to yours. I can smell gas just walking by the front of the truck after I park in the garage and it's there for quite a while after.

I don't really have time to fight the dealer on this, but I might not have a choice...
 


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I suspect the far right hand "Universal Averages" column in the Blackstone analysis is not applicable to Turbo Charged Direct Injection Engines like we have in our Rangers.

The report lists "Universal Averages" for Calcium as 1,944 and Magnesium 199. Our engines need oils with Calcium levels around 1,100 or lower, and Magnesium of 350 or higher, to mitigate low speed pre-ignition (LSPI) events.

Your actual numbers for Calcium and Magnesium look good... you don't want to achieve what is shown in the "Universal Averages" column.

Which leads us to wonder, are Blackstone's comments based on a GDI Turbo motor or ?
 

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Just thought I would post an update. I dropped my truck off last week Tuesday and I was told Ford wanted the dealer to do a number of tests before replacing the HPFP. I just got a call from the dealer, they told me the parts will be in tomorrow and they are replacing all the injectors along with the HPFP. I am hoping that fixes the issue. I am also hoping that there wasn't any premature wear caused by this issue. Has anyone else with this issue asked for or gotten an extended powertrain warranty? Or does anyone know, if I have issues, after the warranty expires, that could have been caused by this issue, would it be covered?
 

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Just thought I would post an update. I dropped my truck off last week Tuesday and I was told Ford wanted the dealer to do a number of tests before replacing the HPFP. I just got a call from the dealer, they told me the parts will be in tomorrow and they are replacing all the injectors along with the HPFP. I am hoping that fixes the issue. I am also hoping that there wasn't any premature wear caused by this issue. Has anyone else with this issue asked for or gotten an extended powertrain warranty? Or does anyone know, if I have issues, after the warranty expires, that could have been caused by this issue, would it be covered?
my dealer is pretty easy to talk to so id be asking for a extended for sure!!andif they said no id want one specifically if I spun a bearing or such thing related to fuel in writing at least.
 
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I've driven 300-400 miles since having the hpfp replaced. The oil is now considerably above the top hole on the dipstick, and does smell slightly of gas, but not nearly as bad as I remember it smelling before. I'm trying to stay positive but the rising dipstick level has me concerned. Is there any reason why it might be reading so high besides the fuel issue? The engine was still warm, but it had been sitting for an hour or two when I checked it.
 

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my dealer is pretty easy to talk to so id be asking for a extended for sure!!andif they said no id want one specifically if I spun a bearing or such thing related to fuel in writing at least.
I did pick my truck up a couple days ago from the dealer. I asked about the results of the tests they claimed Ford required them to do before changing the HPFP, but they really didn't do anything of the sort, they just ordered a new HPFP and injectors and did the replacement. Truck had 32 miles put on it which I thought was high for a test drive? I asked them about warranty down the road after the Powertrain warranty expires and they gave me a strange look and said that would be up to Ford, but they doubted it.
 

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I've driven 300-400 miles since having the hpfp replaced. The oil is now considerably above the top hole on the dipstick, and does smell slightly of gas, but not nearly as bad as I remember it smelling before. I'm trying to stay positive but the rising dipstick level has me concerned. Is there any reason why it might be reading so high besides the fuel issue? The engine was still warm, but it had been sitting for an hour or two when I checked it.
Damn, I believe fuel dilution is about the only thing that could cause the high reading on the dipstick unless they overfilled it to begin with? Sounds like the HPFP may not have been the problem on yours? Did they replace the injectors also? I recently got mine back and they replaced both the injectors and the HPFP. I do not have enough miles, about 50, to see a difference yet. For comparing day to day, I check the dipstick after the truck has sat overnight in the same spot in my garage.
 
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I've driven 300-400 miles since having the hpfp replaced. The oil is now considerably above the top hole on the dipstick, and does smell slightly of gas, but not nearly as bad as I remember it smelling before. I'm trying to stay positive but the rising dipstick level has me concerned. Is there any reason why it might be reading so high besides the fuel issue? The engine was still warm, but it had been sitting for an hour or two when I checked it.
After talking to a mechanic friends, and doing some internet digging, it seems like it’s a common issue with direct injection engines. They call it “makin oil”. The real question Is, what percentage of fuel in your oil is acceptable without losing the necessary Clean, lube, cooling properties? 2%,6%,12%?? Idk, but I’m def worried about it. Maybe As a precaution we all just do early oil changes at 5k intervals??

Another thing my friend mentioned and it’s confirmed in the link below is that these engines build up carbon on the backside of the intake valve and can contribute/worsen the problem. Again, common for Direct Injection.

His recommendation
“I heard ford has or is making a valve conditioner. Kinda like the sea foam spray. Also mix reviews on the sea foam for your application. “

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...Q_lnsazvE4mWbNmtpHBoClygQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Same issue in 2.3 EcoBoost Mustang forum:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/fuel-in-oil-discuss.17830/

Hope this was helpful. And thank you for starting the thread and posting your experiences!!
 

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After talking to a mechanic friends, and doing some internet digging, it seems like it’s a common issue with direct injection engines. They call it “makin oil”. The real question Is, what percentage of fuel in your oil is acceptable without losing the necessary Clean, lube, cooling properties? 2%,6%,12%?? Idk, but I’m def worried about it. Maybe As a precaution we all just do early oil changes at 5k intervals??

Another thing my friend mentioned and it’s confirmed in the link below is that these engines build up carbon on the backside of the intake valve and can contribute/worsen the problem. Again, common for Direct Injection.

His recommendation
“I heard ford has or is making a valve conditioner. Kinda like the sea foam spray. Also mix reviews on the sea foam for your application. “

https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p...Q_lnsazvE4mWbNmtpHBoClygQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Same issue in 2.3 EcoBoost Mustang forum:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/fuel-in-oil-discuss.17830/

Hope this was helpful. And thank you for starting the thread and posting your experiences!!
Forgot to mention, but may be worth noting,
he said he would steer away from blaming the fuel pump as the culprit. If it was Diesel making 3000psi to the rail, then maybe. But a gasoline fuel pump that is running when it’s meant to be off at +-50psi, the injector should-be able handle that all day, and keep fuel out of the combustion chamber.

not a mechanic or claiming to be right, just passing along info I’ve been given.

hope it’s helpful.
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