Think I Threw a Rod....

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You and your vested love made an informed decision and acted upon it. Breaking contact is often the correct course of action. Teamwork. Well done.

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[Project Midnight]

This is why I bought it... just want to be able to take my little girl for rides when she wants to go... My Jeep had to much dog hair coming into the cab lol, I love her, but I’m allergic to her...

 

[Project Midnight]

be a man and fight?
was just asking a question, because you likely ended the engines life by driving it further...and that alone may make it hard to determine what caused the original fault.
if thats the cost of staying alive then you made the right one.

Yeah, it’s never one on one down here.. I usually carry when I’m running graveyards, but I was going in on days, and thought nothing of it... I’ll be carrying 24-7 from now on...

 

[Project Midnight]

I'm going to speak up here. Your life is more important than any material thing. You did what you felt you had to & I'm sure there are others who would have done the same. I hope everything works out for you the way you need it to.

Thank you Tracy, I’m not looking for a free ride, just want to know who’s gonna step up... what’s the point of buying warranties, if they’re not honored... guess we’re about to find out... ?

 

[NickTheEnforcer]

Yes, that is the cost. You have no idea what lurks outside at 5am in downtown Houston. I can leave my wife alone for the rest of her life or I can leave my truck. But that is a “fight” that no one would win. I chose to drive myself back to safety. I drove as far as I could and the Ranger got me home.

You made the right call.
Armed or not only a shopping mall Rambo would tell you to, 'fight it out', 'shoot it out', etc...it's naïve, stupid and dangerous advise.

You never actually know how many perps are actually participating, flanking etc. You may be legally right but a lot of citizens get jammed up in civil court and lose literally everything and bare that scarlet letter for the rest of their life.

Best philosophy is to avoid and de-escalate ALWAYS.

 

[Langwilliams]

I have a carry permit an keep a loaded .357 in my truck 24/7 an I would have done exactly what you did. Driven home or to a safe area to wait for a tow. Every legal gun owner I know hope they NEVER need to use it. No one wants to live with having to pull the trigger an there are almost always legal expenses, even when it's obviously self defense. An anti gun prosecutor could target you an you spend a fortune in legal fees even being in the right.

Good luck with this. I'm waiting to hear what happened. Are you getting any rental car coverage?

 

[jsphlynch]

Best philosophy is to avoid and de-escalate ALWAYS.

I was once told that the first rule of self-defense is to avoid the need to defend yourself.

 

[Lost19Ranger]

Fucking Austin lmao

 

[Rp930]

Thank you Tracy, I’m not looking for a free ride, just want to know who’s gonna step up... what’s the point of buying warranties, if they’re not honored... guess we’re about to find out... ?

Has 5-Star done anything to put your mind at ease? Just curious how they are approaching this now that’s it’s being torn down.

 

[txquailguy]

I have no idea why my FORD SERVICE ADVISOR would whisper to me as he walked me back out to my Ranger "You know these are basically racing engines in these Rangers...right?" or why FORD would offer a performance tune for our trucks...hmmmm

I've covered this before, do some research....our motors are at the low end of the power output for the 2.3 across the platforms Ford has used it in. I'm not saying that something can't break when you push it, but engines break when you are granny driving down the highway too...lol. This is no laughing matter but Project Midnight doesn't have any radical sounding mods on his truck. More than I do but his power output is going to be comparable to any of our Rangers running a high performance tune. I'm going to guess he is 350 HP or less at the rear wheel. The factory Focus RS (which our engines are the closest relation in the 2.3 L) has a HP rating of 350 from the factory. Fortunately for him there is a thing we all know called the Magneson-Moss Warranty Act, which I believe puts the onus on Ford for a specific cause of failure. That's a toughy even for a big car maker. Running a tune and having engine mods is not an automatic cause for failure by any means! His engine mods actually help the motor run cooler and more efficient. I predict Ford will cover his repairs unless they have a rabbit in their hat....

 

[t4thfavor]

I have no idea why my FORD SERVICE ADVISOR would whisper to me as he walked me back out to my Ranger "You know these are basically racing engines in these Rangers...right?" or why FORD would offer a performance tune for our trucks...hmmmm

I've covered this before, do some research....our motors are at the low end of the power output for the 2.3 across the platforms Ford has used it in. I'm not saying that something can't break when you push it, but engines break when you are granny driving down the highway too...lol. This is no laughing matter but Project Midnight doesn't have any radical sounding mods on his truck. More than I do but his power output is going to be comparable to any of our Rangers running a high performance tune. I'm going to guess he is 350 HP or less at the rear wheel. The factory Focus RS (which our engines are the closest relation in the 2.3 L) has a HP rating of 350 from the factory. Fortunately for him there is a thing we all know called the Magneson-Moss Warranty Act, which I believe puts the onus on Ford for a specific cause of failure. That's a toughy even for a big car maker. Running a tune and having engine mods is not an automatic cause for failure by any means! His engine mods actually help the motor run cooler and more efficient. I predict Ford will cover his repairs unless they have a rabbit in their hat....

RS is 350 at the crank, and has a manual (less driveline loss) than the ranger. 350 at the rear wheels in an auto is a MASSIVE bump over stock. MM Act is helpful for small things like "I used a purolator air filter", or "I'm running Denso sparkplugs" but it's VERY easy for Ford to skirt it when you've used a custom engine calibration.

I'm all for warranTRY, but it's likely they will immediately point at the tune, and stop responding to your emails/calls on advice of legal counsel.

 

[gfitzge2]

You made the right call.
Armed or not only a shopping mall Rambo would tell you to, 'fight it out', 'shoot it out', etc...it's naïve, stupid and dangerous advise.

You never actually know how many perps are actually participating, flanking etc. You may be legally right but a lot of citizens get jammed up in civil court and lose literally everything and bare that scarlet letter for the rest of their life.

Best philosophy is to avoid and de-escalate ALWAYS.

Yes, that is the cost. You have no idea what lurks outside at 5am in downtown Houston. I can leave my wife alone for the rest of her life or I can leave my truck. But that is a “fight” that no one would win. I chose to drive myself back to safety. I drove as far as I could and the Ranger got me home.

This thread is all over the place, blown engine, pets, CDWs.

This is from the Concealed Deadly Weapon class I took, If you have to use your weapon against some one, no matter how right or justified or legal you are, Your life will be forever changed and not for the better. Use it as a last resort to save your life or life of some one else.

So to Project M, for what it is worth (probably less than 2 cents) I think you did exactly the right thing. I hope the engine thing works out for you. My Ranger is not tuned but I tuned a Focus ST in the past. Huge difference and made it a blast to drive. Vehicles can be used for many things like work, basic transportation or just plain fun. Sometimes you can combine these things. A tuned Ranger is a perfect vehicle to do that with. Hope you are back on the road soon and your wallet does not take too big of a hit.

I will now step off of the soap box and show myself the door.?

 

[t4thfavor]

since we appear to be beating a dead horse for the moment, whats your future plans when your engine is rebuilt?
should it be an oil pump failure, I am assuming its full speed ahead to put the tune back on, but if its another failure caused by the tune, will you think twice?

If you're paying for it yourself, you should totally go with a built block/forged rods and pistons and a mild turbo upgrade, make sure to have it towed to an independent speed shop since the dealer doesn't deserve your business anyways

 

[txquailguy]

RS is 350 at the crank, and has a manual (less driveline loss) than the ranger. 350 at the rear wheels in an auto is a MASSIVE bump over stock. MM Act is helpful for small things like "I used a purolator air filter", or "I'm running Denso sparkplugs" but it's VERY easy for Ford to skirt it when you've used a custom engine calibration.

I'm all for warranTRY, but it's likely they will immediately point at the tune, and stop responding to your emails/calls on advice of legal counsel.

I respectfully disagree. I know all of Ford factory HP ratings are “at the crank”. I used 350 HP as an example...and the top end of what the mods he called out “might” deliver. Without a few dyno pulls, who knows? He’s more than likely under 320, but that matters not. IMHO, based on precedent, Ford will need to prove the tune or mods caused the failure. That’s not as easy as just saying “it’s tuned, so it’s your fault”. The Magenson-Moss Act does not work like that. What you said is specifically why the act was developed in the first place...to protect consumers from big corporations waving their power. They must prove what failed and just blaming the tune doesn’t fly.

 

[txquailguy]

my understanding of the MM act, is that it legally regulates manufacturers who have published warranties, to be clear with those warranties and wording. It doesn't tip the favor in either direction from manufacturer or consumer. As the manufacturer they have the right from the get go to lay out their terms. As a consumer, you have a right to refuse them and not buy the product if the warranty doesn't meet your specifications.
if the warranty specifically states criteria relating to aftermarket mods, and that the use of them voids the warranty, is the requirements of the MM act not fulfilled? I believe in the fine print, Fords says this in their own words.
by signing on the dotted line and reading the warranty, you agreed to the limited liability.


Im open for correction if you can offer me facts.

Honestly, I don't have experience with this....thank goodness. However, for what it's worth, my dealer told me that if a failure occurs, if it can't be traced directly back to a mod/tune...they will fix under warranty. Just what I was told by the folks I personally deal with. Can't speak for other people or dealerships.

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