The Big Oil Brand Judgement!!

[Cabose-1]

Why you spreading fake news. Use amsoil since my ranger was a wee lad of 5 miles. I have never paid over 100 bucks for oil.

Fake news.....

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[Frenchy]

Why you spreading fake news. Use amsoil since my ranger was a wee lad of 5 miles. I have never paid over 100 bucks for oil.

Fake news.....

And yet what I shared was not fake. The amount of Markup on that oil gets crazy. I used to work at a Napa in Frisco Colorado and they charged quite a bit for that stuff. There is an O'Reilly's not too far from my place that does the same thing.

Also looking at that cost, it is still crazy. Let's assume that they want to charge $10 for the oil filter alone. You are still looking at over $12 a quart

 

[Frenchy]

I retired from the motor oil industry about a year ago. We had a number of products positioned as "X miles" products, to keep it simple for the layman. The only time we recommended sticking with OEM service intervals was while under warranty. Just because you show Ford that you're using a 10k or 20k mile oil does not give you a pass on your warranty terms. Once you're out of warranty and they can't hold it over your head, you're free to follow the intervals warrantied by the oil manufacturer.

Ford doesn't want to get hit with a bunch of warranty repairs, so they recommend a conservative interval. Motor oil manufacturers do the same thing. The difference is that oil manufacturers generate intervals based on the properties of their products, but Ford has to base it on the cheapest thing on the market that just barely passes the relevant WSS-M2C series code specs.

Ford and many other manufacturers do a lot of testing that go way beyond the warranty period to see what's going to be best for the engine. It's not about what the oil can take, but what the engine can take.

 

[Frenchy]

Are you raising the BS flag on the base oil and what constitutes "fully synthetic"?

The Exxon website has a FAQ explaining API standards around base oils.
"Machinery Lubrication" website has an explainer as well. One from Pakelo.

It's true that what most brands are marketing as "synthetic" aren't full synthetics, but pass a certain threshold that allows them to be marketed as synthetic. Kind of like how "Kraft Singles" can't legally be marketed as cheese.

Generally, the options for synthetic oils at popular stores are for API Group III while people are thinking their actually buying API Group IV because of the language and marketing around the word "synthetic".

At least that's my rudimentary understanding of it. Dunno, I'm not an oil scientist or engineer and I could be dead wrong, but this is why I buy Amsoil "Full Synthetic" even if it does cost more compared to everything else because it's primarily API Group IV.

That, and I'm generally suspicious of the quality of anything that is low priced. I change my own oil once every 10k miles -- about every 9 or 10 months -- so I'm not going to worry too much about whether the total cost is $50 or $100.

If you have to go as far as claiming one manufacturer(or perhaps multiple manufacturers) are selling a Conventional Oil as a Synthetic Oil, then something is up with your mind.

We have the API Specifications for a reason. Yes there will be different types of oil. A great example is Diesel Oil being different than Petrol Oil. Fun Fact, for the Ford 6.7L Power Stroke it does call for a 10W-30 as long as the API Specifications meet CJ-4 from the day the 6.7 was released(until the API was updated in following years). That CJ-4 matters enough that if you use a 10W-30 with an API Specification of SP or SL the Engine will Grenade on itself.

It's not about whether or not it is a synthetic oil or supposive tire synthetic, put weather or not the API specifications are actually met.

 

[RuggedRanger]

something is up with your mind.

Haha, maybe! ?‍

thing is, all this parsing around what’s what and who knows better than who doesn’t matter to me… so like I said, if it costs me $100 instead of $50 in the span of 9 or 10 months so I can sleep a little easier at night knowing I’m not putting garbage into my engine, that’s fine by me.

I’ll have this truck for 120,000 to 150,000 miles. Whatever comes out to 10 years most likely. That’s between $1,200 to $1,500 for oil changes if I stick with Amsoil.

Or I could go with “cheapo who knows what’s in it” discount oil to save myself $600 to $750 over 10 years.

Speaking for myself, in the span of 10 years, $600 to $750 isn’t going to be missed… but if I have the engine break down while I’m on an off-road trail and gotta call in Matt’s Off-road Recovery to come get me because I cheaped out on the oil … that’s gonna cost a whole heck of a lot more than $600/$750.

YMMV, but it’s not worth the risk to me.

 

[JohnnyO]

Usually Valvoline. I saw on BobIsTheOilGuy.com that it has more moly than most and makes your engine a little quieter, which it seems to be.
Also Valvoline has a distribution center where I live so it's kinda supporting the local product.

FL-400S filter or equivalent, same thread and gasket size as the FL-910S but it's a little longer and easier to reach. Right now I have a Mobil 1 M1-209A on it.
Change every 5000 miles.

 

[Frenchy]

Look at the data and save your money. You've bought into Amsoil's marketing. There's a support group for you. I've been there....But seriously, look at the data provided and save your hard-earned money.

I'm with you on this. Many oils compared very well. I still have my lovely Emails saved from Motul with the simple discussion on certain Oils they have and why they recommend them for different reasons. Their main focus was simply making sure it meet the Specifications that the Vehicle Manufacturers Required and still state to follow the Vehicle Manufacturers Recommended Interval for service. Though it can still be a little pricey like any Synthetic, I feel it is still priced reasonably.

 

[RuggedRanger]

Look at the data and save your money. You've bought into Amsoil's marketing. There's a support group for you. I've been there....But seriously, look at the data provided and save your hard-earned money.

I might have missed it in the earlier threads but I didn't see where Amsoil was in comparison.

I watched a series by Project Farm on YouTube and his testing methodology looked pretty solid to me, with Amsoil coming out on top.

 

[Frenchy]

I might have missed it in the earlier threads but I didn't see where Amsoil was in comparison.

I watched a series by Project Farm on YouTube and his testing methodology looked pretty solid to me, with Amsoil coming out on top.

Ok, so we have a YouTube Video that was most likely sponsored by the company that came out on top........ Seems Legit.......

Guess what?! Most don't give a damn!

Now if you would like something interesting to read, then perhaps you should go to Motul's website and do some reading about them. They have quite a bit of interesting information that makes them quite nice.

Here is the start of the Discover Motul Section. A good read that will take a few minutes.

https://www.motul.com/en-US/discover-motul/about-motul

Can't forget about the lovely history milestones from them either!!

 

[RuggedRanger]

Ok, so we have a YouTube Video that was most likely sponsored by the company that came out on top........ Seems Legit.......

Guess what?! Most don't give a damn!

Now if you would like something interesting to read, then perhaps you should go to Motul's website and do some reading about them. They have quite a bit of interesting information that makes them quite nice.

Here is the start of the Discover Motul Section. A good read that will take a few minutes.

https://www.motul.com/en-US/discover-motul/about-motul

Can't forget about the lovely history milestones from them either!!

I don't know what you're going on about. What am I supposed to be looking for on this Motul website?

It's pretty wild that you jump to conclude that Project Farm is a paid sponsor of Amsoil. Good video to watch and short enough for the attention span of a five year old.

 

[Frenchy]

I don't know what you're going on about. What am I supposed to be looking for on this Motul website?

It's pretty wild that you jump to conclude that Project Farm is a paid sponsor of Amsoil. Good video to watch and short enough for the attention span of a five year old.

You might find your Brain there if you look hard enough. Just take time to look through and you will find that Motul has been doing this for much longer that Scamoil and has no problem proving it. They also have backing from various Auto Manufacturers across the World including Ford. I have yet to find a single vehicle manufacturer that backs Amsoil and that should say quite a bit.

There is a reason many go to certain name brands for Engine Oil. It's usually thanks to various vehicle manufacturers backing them. Amsoil is not one of those brands that is backed.

 

[RuggedRanger]

LOL. Yeah, this test pretty much sums up what occurs inside an engine.
This setup looks like it was conducted in my grandmother's kitchen. Too funny.

Ah okay, I got it now.. this is just a troll thread. ??

That dude tested all of the major oils, went through A/B tests, adhered to adopted standards and was up front with all of his findings.

Anyhow there's plenty of other independent tests out there looking at Amsoil and it's consistently the top ranked. I'll go with those tests over randos on ranger5g being like "tRuST mE bRO".

 

[RuggedRanger]

You might find your Brain there if you look hard enough. Just take time to look through and you will find that Motul has been doing this for much longer that Scamoil and has no problem proving it. They also have backing from various Auto Manufacturers across the World including Ford. I have yet to find a single vehicle manufacturer that backs Amsoil and that should say quite a bit.

There is a reason many go to certain name brands for Engine Oil. It's usually thanks to various vehicle manufacturers backing them. Amsoil is not one of those brands that is backed.

So far all you've done is talk a lot of weird manic trash and gone on borderline schizophrenic rants. If you're going to make all kind of claims then back it up with something.

"Various auto manufacturers across the world" ... wtf are you even talking about?

 

[Frenchy]

So far all you've done is talk a lot of weird manic trash and gone on borderline schizophrenic rants. If you're going to make all kind of claims then back it up with something.

"Various auto manufacturers across the world" ... wtf are you even talking about?

I take it you haven't bothered to go to Motul's website yet? You should give it a try.

And if you would like just a small example of the Manufacturer Backing, here you go.

I say a small example since Nissan also works with Motul on the NISMO Motorsports Division.

 

[RuggedRanger]

I take it you haven't bothered to go to Motul's website yet? You should give it a try.

And if you would like just a small example of the Manufacturer Backing, here you go.

I say a small example since Nissan also works with Motul on the NISMO Motorsports Division.

Dude, do you even realize this is meaningless? I went to the website, it told me the history. What's the take away? What am I supposed to understand about Amsoil by looking at Motul's website? Adding a company's logo to a website doesn't mean jack.

Let's see some numbers and independent tests. All I've heard so far is that you think an oil company using a more expensive processing to produce a higher quality oil is a rip off. That's like saying Mercedes makes trash cars because it's more expensive than a Corolla. It's a weird take and even weirder hill to die on.

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