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Langwilliams
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It doesn't look like a great design but I haven't heard of this design being a problem.
21Blackout
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6g 2.7l I believe has not started production yet and I do know there is a solution in place implementation is still taking place however, can't say much more at the moment (insider trading type of thing)
db_tanker
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I've seen tear down videos like from "I do cars" on youtube...and the wet belt thing for ANY application is crazy. :|
sootie007
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Honestly if I saw that design was part of my specific engine there is no way I would buy a truck equipped with that oiling system design . What do all of us here know about belts ,,,they break,fray,crack,slip,stretch over time - kevlar or not ....sigh.
Big Blue
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Wow! The same panic, disbelief and "not me" saying on every forum I've looked at.
The 2.7 and 5.0 engines have been using this system since 2018. How many engines is that? How many failures have me heard about, directly attributed to the belt failing?
Fine if it is such a bad design, prove it. Let's see the data! What is the failure rate per 100K miles.
This is becoming a worse witch hunt than the 10R80 transmission.
The 2.7 and 5.0 engines have been using this system since 2018. How many engines is that? How many failures have me heard about, directly attributed to the belt failing?
Fine if it is such a bad design, prove it. Let's see the data! What is the failure rate per 100K miles.
This is becoming a worse witch hunt than the 10R80 transmission.
Cmar
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Those who say they've never heard of any problems - look up "Ecoblue timing belt issues" They've used this design for quite some time in Europe for both timing and oil pump belt design in ecoboost engines. And it's not been exactly widely successful. The 2.0 bi turbo diesel available as the base engine over here features both and I wouldn't touch it except as a short term lease car. Dry belts, gears, or chains for me!
seasprite
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Would like to some time with the miles on this system before I would buy. I hold on to my vehicles for a long time and high miles. My last f150 was 17 years old with 245k when I got the Ranger.
I want to see a longer track record.
Big Blue
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Two entirely different use cases. The major issue with the Ecoblue application appears to be use of a wet belt for cam timing. And any belt wear particles/pieces getting into oil sump. This is a completely different use than driving an oil pump. Much higher loads and tensioning. Even dry timing belts have a shorter replacement recommendation than chains or gears. Usually in the 60K to 100K range. The oil pump belt is basically non tensioned will a much smaller relatively constant load. So, wear is minimal.
Big Blue
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How much time do you need? It has been used since 2018 in both the 2.7 and the 5.0.
seasprite
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Longer than 7 years. I've never had or even seen an oil pump fail on any Fords in my family or friends. These belts are going to wear out unlike shaft or gear driven. As far as chains they should last a lot longer than a belt I just don't know how far.
GreyAreaRanger
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The average person drives about 12k miles a year. That would mean that most of the 2.7 engines with the belt-driven oil pump still have under 100k miles. From my understanding, belts are affected by age more so than a chain or gear-driven unit, so the time since they have been made is not going to do the belt design any favors, and I doubt the engineers made it an easily serviceable part. I am not sure how well a belt would fare as far as wear and tear goes comparatively, but I would imagine for a belt-driven design, it would get worse with age, regardless of mileage. But again, that is a guess on my part due to my understanding of belts.
As long as the failure happens outside of the warranty period, Ford could care less, as that would mean we would be back shopping for a new vehicle. Some folks here might plan on passing the vehicle down to another family member down the line and want to give a reliable vehicle. Some may not keep it past the warranty period. There are a couple of posts online when doing a quick Google search of folks mentioning it failing in a Bronco, so it does lend some credibility to it being reliable enough and that it seems to have escaped the reputation of the 1.0 Ecoboost, but it's early yet.
And if it makes anyone feel any better, as much as I would like the 3.0 Duramax, its timing belt is located on the rear of the engine, so that requires the transmission to be removed to inspect would mean that I would likely never own a vehicle with that engine either. My point with this comment is that we should probably exact belts in areas where chains used to be the new normal as manufacturers cut costs and weight where they can.
As long as the failure happens outside of the warranty period, Ford could care less, as that would mean we would be back shopping for a new vehicle. Some folks here might plan on passing the vehicle down to another family member down the line and want to give a reliable vehicle. Some may not keep it past the warranty period. There are a couple of posts online when doing a quick Google search of folks mentioning it failing in a Bronco, so it does lend some credibility to it being reliable enough and that it seems to have escaped the reputation of the 1.0 Ecoboost, but it's early yet.
And if it makes anyone feel any better, as much as I would like the 3.0 Duramax, its timing belt is located on the rear of the engine, so that requires the transmission to be removed to inspect would mean that I would likely never own a vehicle with that engine either. My point with this comment is that we should probably exact belts in areas where chains used to be the new normal as manufacturers cut costs and weight where they can.
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