New electric truck mfg.

[AzScorpion]

84,500 for the way I'd build it. That buys a lot of dampers.

For that price they better have gold plated dampers. ?

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[halligan1201]

For that price they better have gold plated dampers. ?

And that's not even the high-end version. That's the "base" equipped pretty much the way my Ranger is. Evidently EV trucks are out of my price range lol.

 

[AzScorpion]

And that's not even the high-end version. That's the "base" equipped pretty much the way my Ranger is. Evidently EV trucks are out of my price range lol.

Mine too brother! That's crazy, it's not like it's even a good looking truck. Even then I still wouldn't buy one for that price. Kind of like the Cybertruck, that thing is way over priced and butt ugly yet some love it?

I know in time the prices will come down as technology advances but states like CA are going to force them down their residences throats by mandating them. Sure you can keep your ICE vehicle but what happens if it's totaled in an accident and you can't afford a new EV?

 

[Trigganometry]

Mine too brother! That's crazy, it's not like it's even a good looking truck. Even then I still wouldn't buy one for that price. Kind of like the Cybertruck, that thing is way over priced and butt ugly yet some love it?

I know in time the prices will come down as technology advances but states like CA are going to force them down their residences throats by mandating them. Sure you can keep your ICE vehicle but what happens if it's totaled in an accident and you can't afford a new EV?

Ford is selling crate EV’s to change over from gas. Hell might have the first EVRanger if this trend continues.

 

[outdoorphotog]

Mine too brother! That's crazy, it's not like it's even a good looking truck. Even then I still wouldn't buy one for that price. Kind of like the Cybertruck, that thing is way over priced and butt ugly yet some love it?

I know in time the prices will come down as technology advances but states like CA are going to force them down their residences throats by mandating them. Sure you can keep your ICE vehicle but what happens if it's totaled in an accident and you can't afford a new EV?

If I cant find parts to fix the Ranger, ill just fix it with plumbers tape and unistrut and drive to forever before I submit to getting an EV.

 

[Motorpsychology]

Platinum pricing, Raptor power, Maverick box demensions.
Out of my league, but if I won the lottery, I'd keep my Ranger and get the R1S SUV.

 

[slowmachine]

The basic economics of all EVs in the USA are upside down right now. Manufacturers are selling them at a loss to comply with increasingly-strict CAFE regulations. Tesla makes some money by selling "pollution credits" to ICE vehicle manufacturers. At some point, EVs will have to be profitable for manufacturers. I would like to have an EV, but I hesitate to make the leap because the technology is changing so rapidly that long-term support is an enormous question mark. It's not much different from buying the latest and greatest iPhone. $60K is a lot to pay for something that will be obsolete in five years. I read that in the Chinese market, you can buy a basic EV car for the equivalent of $4K. Basic EV cars in the USA are $40K. The F150 Lightning starts at $40K, and runs up to $90K for the top-end model.

The debate on the role of governments in the pace of transition from ICE to EV transportation will be hotly debated for a very long time. It's pretty easy to argue that natural market forces are not enough, and that government incentives are justified for accelerating the transition.

I bought my first "alternative" car in 2010, when I traded a Toyota Tundra for a base model Prius. It was a revelation. After a few months of driving the Prius, I came to believe that, however odd it looked, it was simply a smarter way to build a car. I saved a lot of money on fuel. We are now on our third Prius, which is the PHEV Prius Prime. The fuel mileage gauge on the dash says that we have averaged about 145 MPG over the past 8,000 miles. 65% of our driving is on the battery alone. Aside from the fuel savings, there is another huge advantage of the PHEV. I don't need to start and run the ICE to drive two miles to the grocery store. My Ranger barely starts to get warm in that short distance, so I end up going the long way around town just to get the engine warm enough to burn off some of the contaminants in the oil. It's wasteful, but necessary. Electric is the answer.

 

[Joeiconic]

Lots of companies operate at a loss in the early years until they can get traction. It was years before Amazon made money and look at them now. As long as the company has continued capital support from investors, and most of the big players in EV have it (see Tesla), companies can survive the rocky start. EV has such incredible momentum, capital investment and commitment from the major auto manufacturers, it seems destined as the automobile fuel of choice for the future. IMHO, of course.

 

[AzScorpion]

Lots of companies operate at a loss in the early years until they can get traction. It was years before Amazon made money and look at them now. As long as the company has continued capital support from investors, and most of the big players in EV have it (see Tesla), companies can survive the rocky start. EV has such incredible momentum, capital investment and commitment from the major auto manufacturers, it seems destined as the automobile fuel of choice for the future. IMHO, of course.

I know it's your opinion but I wouldn't say it's the fuel of choice right now. I think if you take away all the government subsidies you'd see a lot less in sales. I'm not against EV/PHEV at all I just think there's a long way to go before it takes the place of ICE vehicles. They're trying to shove it down our throats to fast right now and that's going to backfire big time.

First we need a major overhaul of the whole countries electric grid then once that's done the price of electricity will be through the roof. As long as they slowly progress with this I can see it working but the way they're pushing it they're asking for trouble. All I know is I wouldn't want to be in CA when they cant even keep their grid up during working hours now.Can you imagine what it'll be like with millions more EV's plugged in?

 

[Apples]

One thing I have noticed about EV ads, is the change in verbiage used when describing their vehicle as "emission-free". Now they say something like, "no tailpipe emissions". And rightly so! That 240 volts at 48 amps has to be generated.

Saying they use renewable energy is a misnomer too, if one figures all of the energy needs in generating so-called, renewable energy. Like it or not, we're going to be tied to fossil fuels for many years to come.

 

[Joeiconic]

I know it's your opinion but I wouldn't say it's the fuel of choice right now. I think if you take away all the government subsidies you'd see a lot less in sales. I'm not against EV/PHEV at all I just think there's a long way to go before it takes the place of ICE vehicles. They're trying to shove it down our throats to fast right now and that's going to backfire big time.

First we need a major overhaul of the whole countries electric grid then once that's done the price of electricity will be through the roof. As long as they slowly progress with this I can see it working but the way they're pushing it they're asking for trouble. All I know is I wouldn't want to be in CA when they cant even keep their grid up during working hours now.Can you imagine what it'll be like with millions more EV's plugged in?

Agree with much of that. I said fuel of choice for the future, not today. But when I hear the major manufacturers saying they will be all EV by 20xx, I start to take it more seriously.

 

[KnightWolf]

If I cant find parts to fix the Ranger, ill just fix it with plumbers tape and unistrut and drive to forever before I submit to getting an EV.

If you can't fix it with duct tape, you're not using enough duct tape!

One thing I have noticed about EV ads, is the change in verbiage used when describing their vehicle as "emission-free". Now they say something like, "no tailpipe emissions". And rightly so! That 240 volts at 48 amps has to be generated.

Saying they use renewable energy is a misnomer too, if one figures all of the energy needs in generating so-called, renewable energy. Like it or not, we're going to be tied to fossil fuels for many years to come.

Engineering Explained has a couple of good videos talking about the final efficiency of EV's, hybrids, ICE, etc, taking into account the refinement or collection of energy, storage, and transportation or delivery methods. Very interesting stuff.

Personally, I'd love an EV or hybrid but at the moment anything with good range is out of my price or not available in the vehicle I want (the Ranger for instance, I don't need a F150 just to have a hybrid). The charging times would prevent me from buying one. We like to take road trips, if we have to stop every few hundred KM to charge for 15-30 minutes a 6-8 hour trip quickly become 10-12 hours.

Along the same line, if charging doesn't improve or expand drastically when there's thousands of people taking their holiday trips your 5 minute fuel stop will turn into hours of waiting. I'm thinking all the people that travel say Toronto to Montreal, roughly 550Km. Only the top tier EV's can presently make that in one charge.

Which has the added environmental side effect of building larger charging stations to handle all these vehicles will destroy habitats and environments especially in more remote areas. Does the benefit of a charging station outweigh a wetland for instance?

 

[Markubis]

One thing I have noticed about EV ads, is the change in verbiage used when describing their vehicle as "emission-free". Now they say something like, "no tailpipe emissions". And rightly so! That 240 volts at 48 amps has to be generated.

Saying they use renewable energy is a misnomer too, if one figures all of the energy needs in generating so-called, renewable energy. Like it or not, we're going to be tied to fossil fuels for many years to come.

True but being able to control emissions at one power plant is easier than controlling emissions of thousands of individual vehicles.

 

[Azriq]

Our next new vehicle will most likely be the Mustang Mach E GT. After that purchase, the F150 Lightning would be awesome if they move that technology into a Ranger sized truck. The Lightning looks like another home-run for Ford but I doubt that I'll ever need/want a full sized truck. A little brother would be perfect.

 

[DeathRanger]

Tesla does not survive on EV credits.
Q3 2021 they received $279 million credits, but they had revenue of $13,757 million

Tesla did receive 465 million in loans which they repaid 3 years later in 2013.
Ford took 6 billion and hasn't paid that back yet

We use electricity to refine gasoline. why not just use the electricity in a vehicle instead of shipping and storing liquid fuel

My personal vehicle maintenance costs since 2019
Ranger maintenance -$50 oil change every 5000 miles
Tesla Maintenance - $2 washer fluid after 115,000 miles.

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