My boss just won the Tremor war...

[Jason B]

This is true. I live in snow country and use 4x4 often on roads in the winter.

As someone that lives in deep south Louisiana, what is this 'snow' and 'winter' of which you speak?

75% is a little high, and you don't need to go off road to use 4x4.

You guys are right, don't need to go offroad to need 4x4.

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[Elgorr4]

A few guys I know with the big diesel trucks say they buy them because they last twice or three times as long as a gas powered truck.

It's America baby...drive what you like.

Maybe you do get some additional engine life out of a diesel, but by the time you pay the initial extra cost, and the much more expensive maintenance along the way, it is still more expensive than a gasser. You could drop a brand new gas crate motor in once your gas engine wears out and still be ahead. The "diesels last longer" thing went out the door with all the emissions stuff in the mid 2000's. The reason for a diesel is towing heavy.

 

[Danager]

As someone that lives in deep south Louisiana, what is this 'snow' and 'winter' of which you speak?



You guys are right, don't need to go offroad to need 4x4.

I believe you fine folks pronounce it without the “t”. When you see winter, think winner. Glad I could help with that.

 

[tremorman]

You want gas to be higher? I can't believe anyone actually thinks this is a good thing. I guess you think that will "save the planet". What happens when gas too expensive for the majority of the world? We'll all be buying electric cars? What do you think generates most of the electricity in the US? Coal firing plants. All you're doing is going from one fossil fuel to another. I always laugh at people who for example buy a Prius because of the gas mileage. They make the engine in South America, then ship them to Japan where they are assembled and then shipped to the US. They burn more fuel before their ever cranked up then the owner could reduce by driving it a very very long time. But don't think that Prius owner doesn't look at you and think you're a jerk for driving that gas guzzling Ranger.

Agree with you on almost all points. I hate Priuses and the large majority of their owners are douches who also don't understand the reality as you laid it out.

But I do happen to know a few who did buy it for their fuel efficiency. Not because they think they're saving the world but because they're cheap and are fine riding in a tampon on wheels in order to get a cheap car that gets 50 miles to the gallon.... I wouldn't be caught dead in one but with gas prices going up, not the worst financial move...

 

[Langwilliams]

My ex son in law used the F out of his Ram 3500 for work and play. Had a 45' toy hauler an towed machinery for the tree clearing business he works at. My buddy bought his because he could. He's renting a air stream an going out west this summer. If his wife enjoys it he plans to buy one. No other truck activities. But he wanted it, he likes it an he could afford it so he bought it.

FWIW my ex son in law pretty much does admin stuff now an goes out checking on jobs an giving estimates. His boss buys all his fuel. The boss just bought a Maverick for him to do estimates an running around in. It will take a while to save $24K in fuel but he's happy now his big truck will last longer an he still gets free fuel as part of his pay package.

 

[HTX1811]

Almost like it's a factory design/install........

Damn , that winch does fit nicely...

 

[HDEO]

Well if it happens that everyone tomorrow wakes up with an EV then yes, we’re screwed. But given the expected time for all this to roll out, upgrading the grid is totally doable and likely to actually result in lower cost for “fuel.” At least it’s pretty optimistic per this study from U of Texas- Austin and NREL. I’m trying to be positive about this.

https://theconversation.com/switchi...e-us-billions-but-timing-is-everything-106227

interesting, but it doesn’t change the point that we still won’t have enough electricity as pointed out by Elon and the CEO of Toyota for everyone has an EV. Also, you don’t need an ev to run on natural gas. There is a natural gas only gas station near My house.

 

[Gumbo]

Well if it happens that everyone tomorrow wakes up with an EV then yes, we’re screwed. But given the expected time for all this to roll out, upgrading the grid is totally doable and likely to actually result in lower cost for “fuel.” At least it’s pretty optimistic per this study from U of Texas- Austin and NREL. I’m trying to be positive about this.

https://theconversation.com/switchi...e-us-billions-but-timing-is-everything-106227

Well, I realize that everyone isn't going to wake up tomorrow with an EV and even when they stop selling combustion, it will still dominate the roads. But I would definitely agree with your statement that the study is optimistic. For example and I love how they quote unknown people: "Some market analyst think EV's will be cheaper than combustion engine by 2026". That's only 4 years from now.

Look, I have no issue with and my first remark wasn't about not wanting to switch to an EV someday. I just have issue with Dems (Progressives) trying to force the market by doing things on purpose so gas prices will rise and force the market to move quicker. It never works out well when the government tries to steer the market.

 

[HDEO]

Clay, thanks and I’m glad we are able to have a reasonable conversation. As it happens I work for a huge oil company and can say with “insider” information and confidence that our current high gas prices have little to do with anything the Dems are doing. Maybe something to do with what they are not doing - like talking to the Saudis to have them open the spigots a bit more, but the current situation is largely due to COViD and the subsequent enormous mess our supply chains are now in. The war in the Ukraine isn’t helping either due to its large impact on global crude prices. It’s a pretty big mess and isn’t going to be resolved quickly.

I’m sorry, I realize I may be annoying you and sure don’t mean to do that. By the way nice Tremor! Mines almost exactly a year old now and I really like it.

Well, I realize that everyone isn't going to wake up tomorrow with an EV and even when they stop selling combustion, it will still dominate the roads. But I would definitely agree with your statement that the study is optimistic. For example and I love how they quote unknown people: "Some market analyst think EV's will be cheaper than combustion engine by 2026". That's only 4 years from now.

Look, I have no issue with and my first remark wasn't about not wanting to switch to an EV someday. I just have issue with Dems (Progressives) trying to force the market by doing things on purpose so gas prices will rise and force the market to move quicker. It never works out well when the government tries to steer the market.

 

[tentspast]

Bob, just wait until the next Gen Ranger comes out especially the Raptor. These prices are definitely getting out of control, that's why I'm keeping mine longer than I usually do. I feel like this country is a huge pressure cooker right now waiting to explode!!

You might be pleasantly surprised, pricing for the new ranger just came out in Australia and they are very close to the prices of the outgoing model. I priced up the XLT with the new V6 turbo diesel and it came in around $64,500; the list price of my XLT with the 4 cylinder biturbo diesel was $61,490. Pretty good IMO considering all the additional features.

 

[Floyd]

Clay, thanks and I’m glad we are able to have a reasonable conversation. As it happens I work for a huge oil company and can say with “insider” information and confidence that our current high gas prices have little to do with anything the Dems are doing. Maybe something to do with what they are not doing - like talking to the Saudis to have them open the spigots a bit more, but the current situation is largely due to COViD and the subsequent enormous mess our supply chains are now in. The war in the Ukraine isn’t helping either due to its large impact on global crude prices. It’s a pretty big mess and isn’t going to be resolved quickly.

I’m sorry, I realize I may be annoying you and sure don’t mean to do that. By the way nice Tremor! Mines almost exactly a year old now and I really like it.

I too welcome a reasonable conversation, so here is a counterpoint....
I too have 35 years with a "huge oil company" and surely as much "insider" information, and I am fully confident that our current high gas prices are the direct result of the bad and hostile policies of the present administration, starting just four days after the inauguration and continuing to this moment.

Covid is just not a factor. It is only the universal excuse for the lack of honest adult leadership.
When the Covid excuse started to lose credibility, Putin and the Ukraine became the convenient new universal scapegoat.... certainly with more to come.

Apparently, with couple of rare exceptions...the "BUCK' hasn't even paused near the oval office since the late 1940's.

As Will Rogers once said about the prevailing media of the day...

"Newspapers are mostly ads, and the rest "lies" between the ads"

Boy was he ever prescient!

 

[HDEO]

Floyd,

Interesting conversation for sure! And I completely agree with you about news being mostly lies. Which is why I always try to refer to real data to try to understand what’s happening in the world. So let’s look at west Texas intermediate crude prices over the last 10 years. For sure a big part of the cost of gasoline is the crude oil used to produce it.

Biden became president in January 2021. Data is always subject to interpretation but to me, it looks like the upward trend in crude prices was well underway prior to his inauguration. And in context, current crude prices are not unprecedented.

QUOTE="Floyd, post: 408345, member: 678"]
I too welcome a reasonable conversation, so here is a counterpoint....
I too have 35 years with a "huge oil company" and surely as much "insider" information, and I am fully confident that our current high gas prices are the direct result of the bad and hostile policies of the present administration, starting just four days after the inauguration and continuing to this moment.

Covid is just not a factor. It is only the universal excuse for the lack of honest adult leadership.
When the Covid excuse started to lose credibility, Putin and the Ukraine became the convenient new universal scapegoat.... certainly with more to come.

Apparently, with couple of rare exceptions...the "BUCK' hasn't even paused near the oval office since the late 1940's.

As Will Rogers once said about the prevailing media of the day...

"Newspapers are mostly ads, and the rest "lies" between the ads"

Boy was he ever prescient!
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[Floyd]

Nothing like profound obfuscation produced by using only a tiny fraction of "real Data".
I doubt that a thousand pages of "real data" would reveal anything other than the bias of the publisher.
Places like Chalmette and Joliet run only sour crude at a fraction of the cost.
Also your chart shows the impact of shutting down domestic production and logistics, while supporting sources which are purportedly our enemies. In one year we have gone from a net exporter to a net importer...
Your chart is a symptom , not a cause.
Here is IMO an apt metaphor for today's media.....
If we both pay close attention we can read the writing on the wall....

 

[Gumbo]

Clay, thanks and I’m glad we are able to have a reasonable conversation. As it happens I work for a huge oil company and can say with “insider” information and confidence that our current high gas prices have little to do with anything the Dems are doing. Maybe something to do with what they are not doing - like talking to the Saudis to have them open the spigots a bit more, but the current situation is largely due to COViD and the subsequent enormous mess our supply chains are now in. The war in the Ukraine isn’t helping either due to its large impact on global crude prices. It’s a pretty big mess and isn’t going to be resolved quickly.

I’m sorry, I realize I may be annoying you and sure don’t mean to do that. By the way nice Tremor! Mines almost exactly a year old now and I really like it.

Kevin,

By no means are you annoying me. Like you said, it's a reasonable conversation. But how in the world can you say that nothing the Dems are doing are affecting oil prices. Especially if you work in the Oil Industry.

Biden halted new exploration of oil on all Federal Lands his second day in office. We stopped drilling in ANWR. He shut down the Keystone (before you point it out, I know that was designed to sell Oil to Asia, but we could be using it for other things today). Those 9000 drilling permits that Psaki talks about is BS. All it does is allow the MSM to report that Biden is issuing more permits to drill than Trump. What they don't tell you is they are only for 9 months. What Oil company is going to drill if they have no assurance they won't be able to continue after 9 months. And in speaking of the natural gas, Federal Regulators are trying to shut down the Spire St Louis Natural Gas Pipeline.

I hear you that you have "insider" information, but the American Energy Alliance says the number one way to reduce gas prices is to increase domestic production. Besides, Biden tried calling the Saudi's and the UAE. It's pretty well know they declined his call. Ouch, they have so little respect for our president, they wouldn't even talk to him. Then to add injury to insult, they go and ask Venezuela (the Madura Regime which is worse than Putin) to please pump us oil, and then Iran. What's stupid about this is that we have plenty of domestic oil. We're just not producing it.

But without going over every single aspect of the oil situation the bottom line is this, we're pumping less oil than we were 3 years ago. Around a million barrels a day less. Now that wouldn't make up for what we need, but it would affect the price for sure.

And thanks about the Tremor. I do love it. I love having a truck for sure. I had a Porsche Macan S. Drove it for two years and sold it for $7262 more than I paid for it. Took me 4 months to get the Tremor, but got a great deal I think. The dealership sold it to me for invoice, then I got a $1500 Ford incentive for ordering it, and $750 for some Mid Tenn discount. Was in a quandry about getting it or waiting for Nextgen, but like the salesman said. I could probably drive this one for two years and sell it for more than I paid, so no worries.

 

[HDEO]

Clay,

Thanks! I appreciate the information and your well reasoned point of view. I’m learning some things. I also appreciate the conversation and that we keep this a civil discussion. There are many parts to this and I certainly don’t see all sides.

By the way, have you read Daniel Yergins latest book “The New Map, Energy, Climate and the Clash of Nations.” I found it a fascinating point of view of history of last few years.

Kevin

QUOTE="Gumbo, post: 408661, member: 11924"]
Kevin,

By no means are you annoying me. Like you said, it's a reasonable conversation. But how in the world can you say that nothing the Dems are doing are affecting oil prices. Especially if you work in the Oil Industry.

Biden halted new exploration of oil on all Federal Lands his second day in office. We stopped drilling in ANWR. He shut down the Keystone (before you point it out, I know that was designed to sell Oil to Asia, but we could be using it for other things today). Those 9000 drilling permits that Psaki talks about is BS. All it does is allow the MSM to report that Biden is issuing more permits to drill than Trump. What they don't tell you is they are only for 9 months. What Oil company is going to drill if they have no assurance they won't be able to continue after 9 months. And in speaking of the natural gas, Federal Regulators are trying to shut down the Spire St Louis Natural Gas Pipeline.

I hear you that you have "insider" information, but the American Energy Alliance says the number one way to reduce gas prices is to increase domestic production. Besides, Biden tried calling the Saudi's and the UAE. It's pretty well know they declined his call. Ouch, they have so little respect for our president, they wouldn't even talk to him. Then to add injury to insult, they go and ask Venezuela (the Madura Regime which is worse than Putin) to please pump us oil, and then Iran. What's stupid about this is that we have plenty of domestic oil. We're just not producing it.

But without going over every single aspect of the oil situation the bottom line is this, we're pumping less oil than we were 3 years ago. Around a million barrels a day less. Now that wouldn't make up for what we need, but it would affect the price for sure.

And thanks about the Tremor. I do love it. I love having a truck for sure. I had a Porsche Macan S. Drove it for two years and sold it for $7262 more than I paid for it. Took me 4 months to get the Tremor, but got a great deal I think. The dealership sold it to me for invoice, then I got a $1500 Ford incentive for ordering it, and $750 for some Mid Tenn discount. Was in a quandry about getting it or waiting for Nextgen, but like the salesman said. I could probably drive this one for two years and sell it for more than I paid, so no worries.
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