Long range fuel tank

[slowmachine]

I will also add that after install the correct capacity will be stated!! At the moment it is between 34-36 gallons but is has yet to be determined.

It would be helpful to know how much weight this adds to the truck, empty and full. I'm guessing that the aluminum tank is significantly heavier than the stock plastic unit. Greater towing range would be nice, but every pound you add decreases towing capacity.

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[Wade]

It would be helpful to know how much weight this adds to the truck, empty and full. I'm guessing that the aluminum tank is significantly heavier than the stock plastic unit. Greater towing range would be nice, but every pound you add decreases towing capacity.

It is stated earlier that the replacement tank will be about 100 lbs, so maybe 50-70 lbs heavier than stock. Fuel weighs about 6.5 lbs/ gallon, so you can do the math there.

 

[Frenchy]

It would be helpful to know how much weight this adds to the truck, empty and full. I'm guessing that the aluminum tank is significantly heavier than the stock plastic unit. Greater towing range would be nice, but every pound you add decreases towing capacity.

The weight of the tank doesnt necessarily decrease towing capacity. Now it does decrese the payload but there are other leaf springs that will fix this.

Also the tank is 2 mil steel.

 

[slowmachine]

The weight of the tank doesnt necessarily decrease towing capacity. Now it does decrese the payload but there are other leaf springs that will fix this.

Also the tank is 2 mil steel.

GCWR is a fixed number based on the whole of the vehicle design. Increasing rear spring capacity does not increase the GCWR, so yes, every pound of of static weight that you add is subtracted from what you can tow and haul.

Light trucks tend to run out of payload before reaching max tongue weight, and the Ranger is lighter than most.

 

[Gizmokid2005]

The weight of the tank doesnt necessarily decrease towing capacity. Now it does decrese the payload but there are other leaf springs that will fix this.

Also the tank is 2 mil steel.

You're a bit wrong there.

Anything that decreases payload decreases towing capacity, through two things: 1) lower tongue weight capacity; and 2) lower available GCWR for your truck.

Any weight you add to your truck decreases your towing capacity if it's not part of the towed item.

 

[Wade]

GCWR is a fixed number based on the whole of the vehicle design. Increasing rear spring capacity does not increase the GCWR, so yes, every pound of of static weight that you add is subtracted from what you can tow and haul.

That's true, but I don't think GCWR is generally going to be the limiting factor for Ranger drivers. In most cases you will hit 7500 towing long before GCWR, unless you also have your Ranger loaded to the gills.

 

[Wade]

that pretty much describes any camping trip i have ever gone on

But are you also towing 7500 lbs on these camping trips? I still think it's a very worthy use of payload to nearly double your range. But of course if it doesn't suit your particular needs you can simply not buy it.

 

[Gizmokid2005]

That's true, but I don't think GCWR is generally going to be the limiting factor for Ranger drivers. In most cases you will hit 7500 towing long before GCWR, unless you also have your Ranger loaded to the gills.

Hard disagree on this one.

GCWR for at least the 2019 Ranger is between 12,150lb and 12,500lb.

Take out 7,500lb for max trailer weight: 5,000lb for the truck.

Take out the fact that the Ranger's base curb weight (according to ford) is between ~4,145 and ~4,571 lbs, you're left with ~439-855lbs of capacity in the truck, which near as I can tell includes fluids, passengers, and any other cargo not standard (including wheels, tires, suspension upgrades, etc etc etc).

12,500 - 7,500 = 5,000 - 4,145 = 855 - 120lbs (full tank of gas) = 715lbs.

You now have 715lbs on a *stock* ranger with the *best* case scenario (one that's actually not possible because I used the best towing which is a different body config than the lowest curb weight) that you can use for capacity for anything.

100lbs for the tank, plus another 100lbs for fuel (~16 gal difference) - you're down to 515lbs of capacity in the truck.

Add in 2-3 people and you're over GCWR.

To say that any addition to the truck weight has no meaningful impact to towing capacity is uninformed at best.

Happy to provide specific sources if you need them.

 

[Wade]

Hard disagree on this one.

GCWR for at least the 2019 Ranger is between 12,150lb and 12,500lb.

Take out 7,500lb for max trailer weight: 5,000lb for the truck.

Take out the fact that the Ranger's base curb weight (according to ford) is between ~4,145 and ~4,571 lbs, you're left with ~439-855lbs of capacity in the truck, which near as I can tell includes fluids, passengers, and any other cargo not standard (including wheels, tires, suspension upgrades, etc etc etc).

12,500 - 7,500 = 5,000 - 4,145 = 855 - 120lbs (full tank of gas) = 715lbs.

You now have 715lbs on a *stock* ranger with the *best* case scenario (one that's actually not possible because I used the best towing which is a different body config than the lowest curb weight) that you can use for capacity for anything.

100lbs for the tank, plus another 100lbs for fuel (~16 gal difference) - you're down to 515lbs of capacity in the truck.

Add in 2-3 people and you're over GCWR.

To say that any addition to the truck weight has no meaningful impact to towing capacity is uninformed at best.

Happy to provide specific sources if you need them.

Good work on those numbers. At the end of the day though, it's just a trade off. You can have 150 lbs extra in gas, or 150 lbs less in trailer or gear. Many of us will gladly take the extra gas, some will want the extra payload and GCWR. The great thing about gas though is that if you really feel the extra weight is putting you in an unsafe situation, you can just not put as much in. The tank itself is only adding 50-70 lbs.

 

[Wade]

yup

Okay so looks like this isn't for you. Though you are probably well over GCWR anyway if your truck is loaded to the gills and you are towing 7500 lbs as you said.

 

[slowmachine]

Hard disagree on this one.

GCWR for at least the 2019 Ranger is between 12,150lb and 12,500lb.

Take out 7,500lb for max trailer weight: 5,000lb for the truck.

Take out the fact that the Ranger's base curb weight (according to ford) is between ~4,145 and ~4,571 lbs, you're left with ~439-855lbs of capacity in the truck, which near as I can tell includes fluids, passengers, and any other cargo not standard (including wheels, tires, suspension upgrades, etc etc etc).

12,500 - 7,500 = 5,000 - 4,145 = 855 - 120lbs (full tank of gas) = 715lbs.

You now have 715lbs on a *stock* ranger with the *best* case scenario (one that's actually not possible because I used the best towing which is a different body config than the lowest curb weight) that you can use for capacity for anything.

100lbs for the tank, plus another 100lbs for fuel (~16 gal difference) - you're down to 515lbs of capacity in the truck.

Add in 2-3 people and you're over GCWR.

To say that any addition to the truck weight has no meaningful impact to towing capacity is uninformed at best.

Happy to provide specific sources if you need them.

This is precisely the problem, and a good basic explanation. Light trucks don't have enough payload capacity to make full use of the rated tongue weight. The best use for an oversized fuel tank is in non-towing scenarios. However inconvenient it may be, carrying extra fuel behind the trailer axle provides the greatest total capacity.

 

[Wade]

Hard disagree on this one.

GCWR for at least the 2019 Ranger is between 12,150lb and 12,500lb.

Take out 7,500lb for max trailer weight: 5,000lb for the truck.

Take out the fact that the Ranger's base curb weight (according to ford) is between ~4,145 and ~4,571 lbs, you're left with ~439-855lbs of capacity in the truck, which near as I can tell includes fluids, passengers, and any other cargo not standard (including wheels, tires, suspension upgrades, etc etc etc).

12,500 - 7,500 = 5,000 - 4,145 = 855 - 120lbs (full tank of gas) = 715lbs.

You now have 715lbs on a *stock* ranger with the *best* case scenario (one that's actually not possible because I used the best towing which is a different body config than the lowest curb weight) that you can use for capacity for anything.

100lbs for the tank, plus another 100lbs for fuel (~16 gal difference) - you're down to 515lbs of capacity in the truck.

Add in 2-3 people and you're over GCWR.

To say that any addition to the truck weight has no meaningful impact to towing capacity is uninformed at best.

Happy to provide specific sources if you need them.

And I never disagreed that it would have an effect on towi

Hard disagree on this one.

GCWR for at least the 2019 Ranger is between 12,150lb and 12,500lb.

Take out 7,500lb for max trailer weight: 5,000lb for the truck.

Take out the fact that the Ranger's base curb weight (according to ford) is between ~4,145 and ~4,571 lbs, you're left with ~439-855lbs of capacity in the truck, which near as I can tell includes fluids, passengers, and any other cargo not standard (including wheels, tires, suspension upgrades, etc etc etc).

12,500 - 7,500 = 5,000 - 4,145 = 855 - 120lbs (full tank of gas) = 715lbs.

You now have 715lbs on a *stock* ranger with the *best* case scenario (one that's actually not possible because I used the best towing which is a different body config than the lowest curb weight) that you can use for capacity for anything.

100lbs for the tank, plus another 100lbs for fuel (~16 gal difference) - you're down to 515lbs of capacity in the truck.

Add in 2-3 people and you're over GCWR.

To say that any addition to the truck weight has no meaningful impact to towing capacity is uninformed at best.

Happy to provide specific sources if you need them.

And I never disagreed that adding weight can effect your towing capability (that was someone else) but for most Ranger owners, the amount they tow and load in their Ranger will never get them close to GCWR, with or without the extra 70 lbs of the tank. (the extra fuel capacity can always just not be used if you are really worried about it)

 

[Wade]

total rebel here.
im more worried about the ensuing fire when i crash though

Haha yeah that would be my concern too. Honestly I've gone well over GCWR with my Ranger (I weighed everything to get reimbursed for my move) and never felt unsafe or anything. Wouldn't do it regularly though.

 

[Frenchy]

Soooooooooo..............


Good news and bad news........ The tank looks beautiful!!!! But it does not fit yet............

There are more differences between the AU to US market Rangers than predicted but it is vey close.

Two mounts need to be re configured. After that we will be in business!! How long until the corrections are made? I have no idea.

So you guys have an idea here are some pictures of the tank including one of the areas that need to be modified

 

[Yama_Ranger]

Putting your stock tank back in for now or are you guys going to try to mod the AU tank to fit?

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