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Well, I’m keeping an eye on it and at the same time keeping an eye on the rumored v8 Ranger in Australia. If the engines gonna blow after the warranty expires......
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Direct injection does nothing to clean the valves imo...has to have port injection. I highly doubt Ford is adding fuel to the oil on purpose....Its is not a good scenario either way...and there is nothing good that can come from it as well....
 

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Direct injection does nothing to clean the valves imo...has to have port injection. I highly doubt Ford is adding fuel to the oil on purpose....Its is not a good scenario either way...and there is nothing good that can come from it as well....
the gas/oil mix going through the pvc valve is going same place as port injection would be.back of the intake valve.
 

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no gas...but yes oil.
You are missing it? With fuel in the oil the fuel will vaporize off and thus there's atomized fuel & oil going across the intake valves
 


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You are missing it? With fuel in the oil the fuel will vaporize off and thus there's atomized fuel & oil going across the intake valves

There is only one entry for the fuel into the oil...its not through the air intake. No fuel is in that. imo The fuel is not mixed and sent through the intake valve as before...its only air and some oil from blow by..
 

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There is only one entry for the fuel into the oil...its not through the air intake. No fuel is in that. imo The fuel is not mixed and sent through the intake valve as before...its only air and some oil from blow by..
Not if the fuel leaks from the high pressure pump into the crankcase
 

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At the dealership now. They say they can’t smell fuel it smells like oil to them. They stated that the oil is a little off color. They are changing the oil now.
Had them pull me a sample so I will be sending it out to Blackstone as soon as my kit arrives that I have already ordered.

5579 miles on truck.

Will be bringing results back to show them.
 

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Not if the fuel leaks from the high pressure pump into the crankcase

If that is the case then it would be in the cylinder and you could have all kind of issues or hydro lock or scored cylinder walls ...there would be some evidence regardless...running rich or something...imo

There is no doubt there is some amount gas in the oil, that is more noticeable than it is in a normally aspirated engine.. and I am pretty sure its every truck..imo How its getting there and how much is what we all need to know...
 

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Just got home from the dealership.

Spoke to the service manager and asked if he wanted to see my test results when they come back. He said if they are off in any way he wants to see them because he wants to get my truck repaired. I let him know that I am not the only one experiencing this issue. He said his priority is my truck but he will be working closely with Ford on it since I contacted them first about the issue. He also said that by him working with Ford on it they will find out if it should be a TSB.
 

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If that is the case then it would be in the cylinder and you could have all kind of issues or hydro lock or scored cylinder walls ...there would be some evidence regardless...running rich or something...imo

There is no doubt there is some amount gas in the oil, that is more noticeable than it is in a normally aspirated engine.. and I am pretty sure its every truck..imo How its getting there and how much is what we all need to know...

The HPDI pump is driven by a square lobe on the rear end of the intake cam (1 in pic). The pump itself is a spring-loaded diaphragm that rolls on that lobe (2 in pic). The spring-side of the pump is bathed in engine oil with the rest of the cam, the inside of the pump is bathed in fuel at ~2500psi.

The suspicion is that, given the lack of performance issues associated with the fuel dilution (no rough running/idling, misfires, CELs, etc), the fuel is seeping through the seal in the pump (2) and finding its way into the oil without affecting the combustion side of the engine. The trick is convincing dealers and Ford that this is the issue that needs to be reconciled.

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The HPDI pump is driven by a square lobe on the rear end of the intake cam (1 in pic). The pump itself is a spring-loaded diaphragm that rolls on that lobe (2 in pic). The spring-side of the pump is bathed in engine oil with the rest of the cam, the inside of the pump is bathed in fuel at ~2500psi.

The suspicion is that, given the lack of performance issues associated with the fuel dilution (no rough running/idling, misfires, CELs, etc), the fuel is seeping through the seal in the pump (2) and finding its way into the oil without affecting the combustion side of the engine. The trick is convincing dealers and Ford that this is the issue that needs to be reconciled.

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thank you for your post I actually understood .
 

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The HPDI pump is driven by a square lobe on the rear end of the intake cam (1 in pic). The pump itself is a spring-loaded diaphragm that rolls on that lobe (2 in pic). The spring-side of the pump is bathed in engine oil with the rest of the cam, the inside of the pump is bathed in fuel at ~2500psi.

The suspicion is that, given the lack of performance issues associated with the fuel dilution (no rough running/idling, misfires, CELs, etc), the fuel is seeping through the seal in the pump (2) and finding its way into the oil without affecting the combustion side of the engine. The trick is convincing dealers and Ford that this is the issue that needs to be reconciled.

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Possibly. Something of interest would be to determine not only the dilution percentage of the fuel in the oil, but also the amount of metal content per PPM. An engine with this much fuel in the oil would certainly have more metal content due to the highly irregular reduction in viscosity. Truly the only way to determine this would be a head to head comparison of two oil samples. One from a vehicle that exhibits the excessive overfill condition and one that does not. A baseline would have to be established to prove anything. Not completely impossible but for certain Ford Engineering would need to collect their own data well before establishing a TSB. I for one have not experienced this on my Ranger. I'm nearly on my second oil change. We are also keeping a close eye on my Stepfather's new Ranger. He's right at 5k on the clock with no signs of this issue. Doesn't mean it may not present itself in the future. However, this is an important thread to follow. All good info here. I for one would keep this real simple with my dealership. The oil level is increasing and you need to fix it period.
 

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The HPDI pump is driven by a square lobe on the rear end of the intake cam (1 in pic). The pump itself is a spring-loaded diaphragm that rolls on that lobe (2 in pic). The spring-side of the pump is bathed in engine oil with the rest of the cam, the inside of the pump is bathed in fuel at ~2500psi.

The suspicion is that, given the lack of performance issues associated with the fuel dilution (no rough running/idling, misfires, CELs, etc), the fuel is seeping through the seal in the pump (2) and finding its way into the oil without affecting the combustion side of the engine. The trick is convincing dealers and Ford that this is the issue that needs to be reconciled.

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Thanks for that...I couldn't find anything lol...and what a shitty design if its true fuel can leak into the oil without detection or some warning. I mean if its seeping how does it maintain that pressure and is there a leak down test to verify...etc.
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