Fuel in oil

[Wheazy]

Taking mine in Tuesday for the tail light recall and having the dealer check it. Still on factory fill at the moment.

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[paquete305]

I'm at ~7,000 miles and just noticed a strong fuel smell on the outside of my vehicle after a cold start.

I'm posting here because I checked my dipstick, and unfortunately it smells like there is fuel in my oil and it is slightly over the fill line indicator. Also, I've never had a dipstick drip oil like it was water when pulling it out.

The factory fill was changed at ~4600 miles with Motorcraft full synthetic oil by the dealer. I do not remember smelling fuel outside of my vehicle before, but it could be because I was rarely using remote start.

Also, I am bone stock with no catch can or other modifications.

I'll report back once I visit the dealer on Monday. I'm hoping this is nothing.

 

[2ford]

Here is an interesting article.
https://www.mishimoto.com/engineeri...ger-2019&utm_term=Ford-Ranger-2019-Blog3-IMG1

@Mishimoto discovered tons of fuel in their catch can during their testing, which could only have happened if there was a significant amount of fuel in the crankcase to begin with. This is exactly what led me to discover the problem, finding pure gasoline in my catch can. Mishimoto noted that it was highly unusual but didn't seem to dig into it.

This thread finally got to me. Went outside & checked the engine date (March 6) & pulled the dip stick. Oil is about 1/8" above the top hole after 5,100 miles & still the factory oil from when it was new. Guess I'm lucky on this one, but I'm going to be sending the oil to Blackstone for analysis when I have it changed soon. I'll be curious to see their dilution numbers & relative viscosity results.

Don't like hearing the bad news about this problem on some people's trucks, not good & wondering what plans Ford has for resolving the issue. It needs to be resolved & warranty needs to apply here...

1/8 above the top hole is over maximum level does it smell like gasoline

 

[2ford]

Notice this article by @Mishimoto as well.

https://www.mishimoto.com/engineeri...baffled-oil-catch-can-rd-part-3-test-results/

The Focus RS and Mustang applications of this same engine did not yield the result of fuel in the catch can like the Ranger did. This leads me to further believe that it is not an inherent problem with the 2.3 engine, or caused by excessive blowby, but rather some accessory, most likely the High pressure fuel pump. This is good for us, meaning it should be an easy fix. Now we just need Ford to recognize the issue and take care of it. I love this truck and just feel let down that we are experiencing such a severe issue and not being taken seriously.

I had a 2011 Buick regal that had a recall notice on their gdi fuel pump said to look for gas in the oil apparently some of the pumps had issues fortunately mine didn't but they gave me an extended warranty on the engine to 10 years.

 

[Wade]

Taking mine in Tuesday for the tail light recall and having the dealer check it. Still on factory fill at the moment.

I'd be willing to bet that the dealer is going to tell you the same BS they've been telling all of us. As someone previously stated, the dealer does make money on warranty work, but not enough to justify spending hours investigating a complex problem like this. They like it when the truck rolls in on a tow truck with some obvious failure that is quick and easy to diagnose and repair so they can quickly get the warranty check from Ford.

 

[Dmax]

I'd be willing to bet that the dealer is going to tell you the same BS they've been telling all of us. As someone previously stated, the dealer does make money on warranty work, but not enough to justify spending hours investigating a complex problem like this. They like it when the truck rolls in on a tow truck with some obvious failure that is quick and easy to diagnose and repair so they can quickly get the warranty check from Ford.

That’s why it makes sense for more people to call corporate and get involved. Dealers take orders.

my local dealer who I have good relations with said it’s normal as well. Why fight them and get on bad terms with them. Seem logical to get oil tested. Contact corporate and their engineers. Rather document the issue with them. In the end as others have talked about they might extend the warranty and order a replacement. Trying to convince the dealer to get heavily involved seems tough right off the start without corporate documentation of an issue.

 

[Wheazy]

I'd be willing to bet that the dealer is going to tell you the same BS they've been telling all of us. As someone previously stated, the dealer does make money on warranty work, but not enough to justify spending hours investigating a complex problem like this. They like it when the truck rolls in on a tow truck with some obvious failure that is quick and easy to diagnose and repair so they can quickly get the warranty check from Ford.

Agreed and a part of me knows that is going to happen. However, this is the start of the process for my truck and I will go through it instead of jumping straight to the top. I will give them an opportunity to make it right and if they don't it will be escalated up.


I have a good relationship with my local dealer that may very well get tested over this issue.

 

[Noseoil]

1/8 above the top hole is over maximum level does it smell like gasoline

Unfortunately, I didn't notice a strong smell or runny oil. That having been said, my nose isn't really working too well. Prior to retirement, I had contemplated getting a disability hang-tag for my truck, disability payments & a "smelling-nose" service dog. Too many years of wood working, spraying, sanding & industrial chemical use has taken its toll. My boss told me to get back to work...

 

[r1ch999999]

I just checked mine, clearly has something in the oil that shouldn't be there. I've got under 600 miles on the truck so far.

 

[fordman89]

Well, I was really hoping I wouldn't have this issue, but unfortunately I do. Checked my oil just now, truck has sat all night. Oil level was well above the top hole/Max and up to the twist in the dipstick. Actually when I first pulled the dipstick it was well above the twist. Smelled like gas, honestly kinda two-cycle fuel smell. Truck has 9,600 on the odometer and I had the oil changed at the dealer about 4,000 miles ago. I'm one of those 5,000 mile oil change people regardless of what Ford says. So I'm due shortly for an oil change. I hate to say it, but I can't remember noting the oil level being high in the first 5,000 miles. Engine build date of March 14, 2019. Truck build late March.

For the heck of it, I checked the oil on my Dad's 2018 Lincoln MKC with the 2.0L turbo. Has about 4,000 miles from last oil change as well. Oil level was right at Max. Not the least bit overfull. However, a very similar smell, maybe just a little less potent if you will.

Back to the Ranger. No driveability issues at all. Fuel mileage has taken a slight hit but I attributed this to the winter blend fuel and remote starting, which I know definitely hasn't helped. Guess I'll be taking it in for an oil change sooner than I wanted. We'll see what the dealer's response is. I'll give them a shot before I escalate to Ford.

 

[Wade]

Well, I was really hoping I wouldn't have this issue, but unfortunately I do. Checked my oil just now, truck has sat all night. Oil level was well above the top hole/Max and up to the twist in the dipstick. Actually when I first pulled the dipstick it was well above the twist. Smelled like gas, honestly kinda two-cycle fuel smell. Truck has 9,600 on the odometer and I had the oil changed at the dealer about 4,000 miles ago. I'm one of those 5,000 mile oil change people regardless of what Ford says. So I'm due shortly for an oil change. I hate to say it, but I can't remember noting the oil level being high in the first 5,000 miles. Engine build date of March 14, 2019. Truck build late March.

For the heck of it, I checked the oil on my Dad's 2018 Lincoln MKC with the 2.0L turbo. Has about 4,000 miles from last oil change as well. Oil level was right at Max. Not the least bit overfull. However, a very similar smell, maybe just a little less potent if you will.

Back to the Ranger. No driveability issues at all. Fuel mileage has taken a slight hit but I attributed this to the winter blend fuel and remote starting, which I know definitely hasn't helped. Guess I'll be taking it in for an oil change sooner than I wanted. We'll see what the dealer's response is. I'll give them a shot before I escalate to Ford.

Have them measure the amount of oil they drain out of it. Pretty hard to deny there is an issue when 6.5-7 quarts come out and it only takes 5.8 or something to get it back to the correct level (since some oil invariably doesn't drain out when you change it).

 

[Wade]

And good luck!

 

[fordman89]

And good luck!

Thanks! That's good advice to have them measure the oil they take out, too. I'm going to see if they send a sample to get tested. Worse they can do is say no. I'll report back the results.

I've always been pleased with the service department I use and they seem reasonable to work with. I bought my Mustang and the Ranger from the dealer and I've used them to service both since new. Mustang is 6 years old and I've had zero issues with it, so this will be a good test if they're as good as I think they are.

 

[r1ch999999]

What’s everyone with fuel in their oil running for octane?

 

[Da Ranger]

87 and when gas prices dropped I went to 91 for the past couple of months.

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