Cut my third leg off today

[seasprite]

Did some testing today and far as I can tell, my data is staying with the truck.
Here's a few screen shots
This one is an older screen when a mouse took out my down stream O2. The TCU is the telematics module

This shot is from yesterday. Notice the TCU is now missing with no codes. I figured I would have communication or voltage codes, but I'm showing a clean board

When I went to church today and I checked the app for my trucks location and as far Ford knows the truck never left my driveway. As everyone knows our cell phones track us all the time unless you leave it home. My phone is the blue dot and my truck was with me

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[2021Ranger]

Honestly had no idea about this. I kind of think this is an invasion of privacy.

 

[rang19ca]

It might be fuzzy on the legality, but they sell it as a convenience for us, Ha.

 

[Grandaccess]

Having been over 100MPH probably twice a week for a year now, I dont care if they are watching me

 

[TJC]

That works. Just be sure to de-Google or leave your phone at home, lest Google sell your driving info anyway.

I deGoogled everything and do not even use their search engine. I also stay away from utube and other ABC (i.e., google toys) Don't feed the Cookie Monster!

A sidebar of possible interest

Back in the early to mid 1980' our IBM mainframe became infected with the Cookie Monster.

The Cookie monster would wake up, select a terminal to bother, and would type

"Please may I have a cookie?"

If the user typed "Cookie" the program (more a worm than a virus) would fill the entire 80x25 character screen with "Yum! Yum!" and go away for a while.

If not, the requests became more stern and insistent over time, until the screen was locked with the banner headline text

"I DEMAND A COOKIE!!!"

and the user could not continue without typing in "cookie" when it was released with the "Yum! Yum!" response of satisfaction.

It started at 24 hour intervals on our mainframe, but chose different terminals to attack. Once you fed the Cookie Monster and it replied " Yum Yum" it would go away and come back 12 hour later repeating the cycle. Each instance halved to dormant time until it could no be satiated

It brought our mainframe to its knees within a day, simply demanding a Cookie.

 

[TJC]

It might be fuzzy on the legality, but they sell it as a convenience for us, Ha.

We are trading convenience for freedoms. Privacy being the ultimate freedom. The right to be left alone unmonitored.

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

Did some testing today and far as I can tell, my data is staying with the truck.
Here's a few screen shots
This one is an older screen when a mouse took out my down stream O2. The TCU is the telematics module

This shot is from yesterday. Notice the TCU is now missing with no codes. I figured I would have communication or voltage codes, but I'm showing a clean board

When I went to church today and I checked the app for my trucks location and as far Ford knows the truck never left my driveway. As everyone knows our cell phones track us all the time unless you leave it home. My phone is the blue dot and my truck was with me

I can’t not see the irony in this post. ?

 

[seasprite]

I can’t not see the irony in this post. ?

I understand, just that our truck collects things like steering inputs, yaw sensor data, how you use your brakes, speed, crash avoidance system data, and I'm sure there is more that I'm not thinking of. Cell phones can't collect all the data the truck can about our driving. Which the insurance companies will use to raise our rates.

Thing is I didn't even have a cell phone until a few years ago. But my wife couldn't stand it any longer and bought the whole family phones and put us on the grid. I still leave my phone at home at times.

 

[Jason B]

I understand, just that our truck collects things like steering inputs, yaw sensor data, how you use your brakes, speed, crash avoidance system data, and I'm sure there is more that I'm not thinking of. Cell phones can't collect all the data the truck can about our driving. Which the insurance companies will use to raise our rates.

Thing is I didn't even have a cell phone until a few years ago. But my wife couldn't stand it any longer and bought the whole family phones and put us on the grid. I still leave my phone at home at times.

With all the sensors such as GPS and accelerometers in the phone, it probably knows more about your driving habits than you truck does. Plus, the truck presumably reports only to Ford. Who knows what type of background apps and trackers are on your phone and who is collecting that data, besides Google.

 

[MountainGoat]

And since all the other autos around you will try to snitch you out if your speeding, maybe it is time for a cell phone j@mmer that blocks all signals say in a 100' radius. Owning a cell phone jammer is not illegal, but operating one is. I have no idea how you block their cameras from taking your picture, but I am sure that people smarter than me will find a creative way to defeat the tech with other tech. Consider the following history:

Cops use radar to catch speeders

People purchase radar detectors,

Cops purchase radar detector detectors

People purchase illegal radar detector detectors & jammers

Cops outlaw jammers and radar detectors (In Va) and catch you with their radar detector detectors that are illegal for you to own.

and around and around we go chasing technology

I have friends who routinely drive in Va, and have had police stop them searching their car for the detectors, and never find them. I have had other friends who had them and the cops instructed them to place them on the ground in front of the tires and then have them pull forward, destroying them. Va LEO can't confiscate your detector unless it is used as evidence, and then must be returned.

They're expensive. $2k for one that works more than 25 feet. There are gangs in South Africa that use the big backpack models to rob/attack the Boers. ~$10-15K per. Plus you create an obvious dead zone with you right in the middle of it, driving around like that cops and maybe the FCC will immediately zone in on you.

I have thought about cameras like Flock and as far as I can tell they do not have internal hard drives, so anything that blocks lte will block them from transmitting. I made a whole post about it on RDforum and mods deleted it.

And how are those VA cops not committing unreasonable search and seizure?

 

[DukeCanBuildit]

With all the sensors such as GPS and accelerometers in the phone, it probably knows more about your driving habits than you truck does. Plus, the truck presumably reports only to Ford. Who knows what type of background apps and trackers are on your phone and who is collecting that data, besides Google.

Or forum sites. Hmmm ?

I understand, just that our truck collects things like steering inputs, yaw sensor data, how you use your brakes, speed, crash avoidance system data, and I'm sure there is more that I'm not thinking of. Cell phones can't collect all the data the truck can about our driving. Which the insurance companies will use to raise our rates.

Thing is I didn't even have a cell phone until a few years ago. But my wife couldn't stand it any longer and bought the whole family phones and put us on the grid. I still leave my phone at home at times.

For me, it was about more than your phone. The irony was about expressing privacy concerns while…

• on a public forum site
• showing us your Forscan data
• your church’s location
• and where you live

Not quite a self-dox but still ironic because it’s not necessarily someone or some thing spying on us or actively recording our moves. All too often, we do it to ourselves. Heck, I’m doing it right now.

Out of curiosity, I asked CoPilot AI a simple question….

 

[TJC]

They're expensive. $2k for one that works more than 25 feet. There are gangs in South Africa that use the big backpack models to rob/attack the Boers. ~$10-15K per. Plus you create an obvious dead zone with you right in the middle of it, driving around like that cops and maybe the FCC will immediately zone in on you.

I have thought about cameras like Flock and as far as I can tell they do not have internal hard drives, so anything that blocks lte will block them from transmitting. I made a whole post about it on RDforum and mods deleted it.

And how are those VA cops not committing unreasonable search and seizure?

My neighbor is a senior rank NCSHP trooper. He actually is on the Gov Protection team. He tells me that the VA SHP has a bump policy to stop speeders who run from them, and they will charge the speeder with attempted vehicular homicide if they are forced to bump them to force them to stop!

That sounds completely insane to me as the LEO is initiating the attack.

Here in NC a prisoner was being transferred to a different location and managed to break free and scuffle with the LEO. He overpowered the officer and took his stun gun and tased him, then ran off and was later captured. They charged him with attempted murder of a police officer! The prisoner could have just as easily taken the officer's weapon and killed him. He chose to only disable the officer enough to successfully escape custody.

Now reverse the role and watch LEO tase people for not obeying them. No attempted murder charges there!

I get that LEO have a tough job, but they should not be exempt from the laws that the rest of us follow. The law should be neutral, not a tool to subdue one group of people over another.

Off my soap box...

BTW, my NCSHP trooper neighbor is a man of extreme integrity and honor.

 

[TJC]

I understand, just that our truck collects things like steering inputs, yaw sensor data, how you use your brakes, speed, crash avoidance system data, and I'm sure there is more that I'm not thinking of. Cell phones can't collect all the data the truck can about our driving. Which the insurance companies will use to raise our rates.

Thing is I didn't even have a cell phone until a few years ago. But my wife couldn't stand it any longer and bought the whole family phones and put us on the grid. I still leave my phone at home at times.

It has the ability to collect far more then that! It tracks your every move, and it is possible (it has the hardware already installed) to eavesdrop on any conversation in the truck. In short, whatever you can do with your smart phone the truck can do... without your knowledge.

If you signed up for FordPass you gave consent.

I do not trust any corporation to not use the technology, even if they tell me it is turned off. I want a physical ON / OFF switch on the offending hardware. That is the only way to insure that Ford (or any other supplier) will not be tempted to turn it on.

If they can, they will.

You can never turn off your smartphone, but you can pull the plug on your truck telematics system.

I like technology, but I want to control the tech, not have it control and snitch on me. It is not about doing anything wrong, it is about an expectation of privacy - to be left alone to live without 24/7 monitoring.

 

[Jason B]

My latest yearly blood work showed abnormal MCH/MCV. I didn't know what that is, so I looked it up.
One cause for that is too little vitamin B12 or folate(B9) in my diet. Now every page I visit, I get ads for B12 and B9.

 

[MountainGoat]

My neighbor is a senior rank NCSHP trooper. He actually is on the Gov Protection team. He tells me that the VA SHP has a bump policy to stop speeders who run from them, and they will charge the speeder with attempted vehicular homicide if they are forced to bump them to force them to stop!

That sounds completely insane to me as the LEO is initiating the attack.

Here in NC a prisoner was being transferred to a different location and managed to break free and scuffle with the LEO. He overpowered the officer and took his stun gun and tased him, then ran off and was later captured. They charged him with attempted murder of a police officer! The prisoner could have just as easily taken the officer's weapon and killed him. He chose to only disable the officer enough to successfully escape custody.

Now reverse the role and watch LEO tase people for not obeying them. No attempted murder charges there!

I get that LEO have a tough job, but they should not be exempt from the laws that the rest of us follow. The law should be neutral, not a tool to subdue one group of people over another.

Off my soap box...

BTW, my NCSHP trooper neighbor is a man of extreme integrity and honor.

That whole greater DC area is the heart of darkness. I guess the attempted murder charge is cops finally admitting their stupid tasers can actually kill people. ?

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