Brakes failed!

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Thank you all for your replies.

She just got off the highway, fortunately in this area it's drops to a 70km zone.
She notice her foot was slowly going further & could not figure why? She
pumped the brakes & it was enough to slow the truck & used the hand brake
the rest of the way home, not far. Once home, I got in the truck & advanced,
braked & my foot went straight to the floor & the truck was not stopping.
So this safety you guys are talking about, I did not experience it. In another car
I had 1 brake line burst & lost all braking power, hand brake to the rescue.
Again, duel reservoir or whatever, split, did not exist. 2001 car.
Yes, this could have been fatal but nothing happened.
Dealer asked if we had changed wheel or took them off, it seems they are perplexed too.
I will be asking how the brakes work when I get the truck back.

BTW, a few yrs ago I bought my car, the one you see & the dealership had painted the car without telling me. Keep in mind, this is a new car. 6 months later
I was at a detailer & he asked me when I got the car repainted. I was upset, googled, called a lawyer & found out that I had rights. Went to dealer, asked for a new unmolested car, they wanted nothing to do with me. I stayed calm, told them
it was illegal & see them in court. It took 1 month before they decided to trade & I gave them a MY14 with 10k km & they gave me a MY15 with 10km.
So, I'm not sure what I can do as they are fixing the truck.
I will be talking to management.
I'll get back on Wednesday as that's when they should get the part.

Have a pleasant weekend.
sorry you’re not having the best of luck with that dealership man. Hope this is the final issue you run across.





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Scary stuff. Not much you can do besides let them fix it.
 

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BRAKES: Proper operation and spelling. When you lose power brakes or brake fluid the brakes will feel different, but will still work. The pedal will go down farther or feel harder. Push harder or further. :facepalm:
 

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BRAKES: Proper operation and spelling. When you lose power brakes or brake fluid the brakes will feel different, but will still work. The pedal will go down farther or feel harder. Push harder or further. :facepalm:
Not sure how you expect a hydraulic system to function without the fluid and pressure that moves the piston... Without fluid and pressure you have no brakes outside the cable-operated parking brake.

Edit: hydraulic
 
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BRAKES: Proper operation and spelling. When you lose power brakes or brake fluid the brakes will feel different, but will still work. The pedal will go down farther or feel harder. Push harder or further. :facepalm:
Come on Thom... it's an internet forum... not English class, and it's Saturday. :clap:

Fixed!!!!

Front brake hose was rubbing against mag.
We now know it takes 3000 miles to go through the front brake hose.
Wheels were never off.
No idea how it happened?
I'll go with damaged in transport.
New hose will come in next week, will have a loner, Escape.

My question is, we pay for them to do prep work before delivery to us, right, so they should have caught this.

So, what does the forum say?
1 - Cause?
2 - Delership responsibility?
Unless the dealership put every new vehicle on a lift and did a safety inspection, there is no way they could have found the issue. Is that realistic? I'd say no.

And even then, with it on a lift, with the suspension hanging down, would the hose still rub on the wheel, probably not.

Would a loose brake hose be obvious? Maybe, but since the dealership tech typically can't even lower the tire pressure to the placard specification, expecting them to detect factory oversites is a pretty tall order.

I put our new Ranger up on our lift when I got it home and tried to look at everything, and I always look at brake hoses when I rotate our tires. I'm betting I never would have noticed a loose brake hose until I rotated tires, at 4,000 miles. Which would have been 1,000 miles to late.
 
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Come on Thom... it's an internet forum... not English class, and it's Saturday. :clap:
Oh, that is right, everybody hung over and not checking any breaks. LOL
 

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Oh, that is right, everybody hung over and not checking any breaks. LOL
I just meant most folks are tired of hearing their boss harp on them all week about stuff... and they don't want a spelling lesson once they log on to their favorite forum.

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are we sure we dont have an indication?? the spread of false information is an embarrassment


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Thanks. I stand corrected! I should know better. Research, Research, Research.

Ebrake worked fine.
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No level sensor.
So @CB750F since you stated "No Level Sensor" you might want to have them check that at the dealership while it's there.
 

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are we sure we dont have an indication?? the spread of false information is an embarrassment


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But how do you know this is accurate? Our owners manual suggests we have a cigar lighter, among the other errors that have been pointed out. Certainly enough to anger Phil into telling us about that aspect of his job at Ford.

Maybe you'd be willing to suck brake fluid out of your reservoir for our edification? Just a thought.
 

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it has the caveat that indicates may vary by region
But how do you know this is accurate? Our owners manual suggests we have a cigar lighter, among the other errors that have been pointed out. Certainly enough to anger Phil into telling us about that aspect of his job at Ford.

Maybe you'd be willing to suck brake fluid out of your reservoir for our edification? Just a thought.
thats why i posed a question
one is from the tech manual, one from the owners manual.
its up for debate, and therefore a direct comment that we have NO indication is false unless proven otherwise.
feel free to suck it yourself.
 
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Hi Folks,

This is a summary of FMVSS 105 as it is way too complicated to post here. This is from the Haynes manual.


"By 1967, it was mandated by the Federal Government that all vehicles use a dual-brake master cylinder, with separate circuits in case of the failure of a line or other issue. The resulting dual circuit master cylinders typically have two separate chambers that separate the front and rear brake circuits, though some still are split diagonally.


This type of system prevents the total loss of braking action in the event of the system being compromised. The brakes still work even in the event of one seal in the master cylinder going bad, or a pressure leak in the system.


Either systems will stop the vehicle with only one circuit operating, and prevent an accident, though stopping distances are much greater. More than 75% of your braking is done with the front wheels, so if the rear brakes fail you may not even notice."

Best,
Phil Schilke
Ranger Vehicle Engineering
Ford Motor Co. Retired
 
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Good day members!
After posting last night I decided to ask my wife again what happened.
She noticed something was wrong when her foot was slowly going all the way to
the firewall but the truck was still "braking" but she says at about 50%.
By the time she was home & I tried it, it was useless. Granted I just moved 5 feet for
my test.
She never saw a light for low fluid, does not mean there was no light.
Break & brake, yea, my bad, u have no idea how many times I went back to change that... lol.

Bottom line, seems you run out of braking power pretty fast when the brake hose breaks.

My apologies for the misinformation I gave.
 

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