2" Rear Sag with Full Camping Loadout, After Suspension Lift. Further Modify Rear Leaf Springs?

[lazynorse]

Want to get the communities take and advice on addressing rear sag with full camp gear loadout. In short, my rear squats 2" when fully loaded with typical week+ camping gear. This provides a reverse 1" rake, or squat.

I've got Icon multileaf springs on the rear, which I've configured as Option 2 (out of 3, which essentially leaves out one leaf to support a 250 pound daily load). I have that extra leaf for both sides, uninstalled, intended for 400+ daily loads, which I don't have, daily anyway.

Along with the Icon springs, I have Eibach front and back, achieving a 3" suspension lift up front, 1" lift in the rear (due to Icon springs). With only my fiberglass SnugTop canopy/topper, I sit with a 1" rake. For daily, this is great by me. 24" front center of wheel to wheel well, 25" rear center of wheel to wheel well. Or, 39" ground to front wheel well, 40" ground to rear wheel well.

With fridge, battery, modest recovery/tools, plus 5 gall jerry can of gas, 8 gall of water, cold and dry food, 100 pounds on my canopy roof (Yakima Skybox with Gazelle popup tent, gazebo and camp chairs), clothes, etc, I measured a 2" drop in the rear.

I just got back from 2 weeks camping in Utah, White Rim Trail and many other offroad trails, easy to moderate mostly but not always. Never crashed into bump stops but I wish I didn't sag 2".

I don't feel a 2" sag is super significant, I bet I could fix that by adding the last leaf on my Icon multileaf spring kit. This might be to the detriment of daily driving with no load other than my 250 pound Snugtop Canopy, but I don't know for sure if that will be too stiff for daily driving. 2" sag certainly took away a little bit of departure angle.

Anyway, do you look for zero sag under load when offroading? Do you consider a couple inches 'just right' as compromise between daily driving and loaded offroading? Would airbags be a bad move for non-towing purposes (I don't have anything to tow).

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[ctechbob]

I would try a set of blue Sumosprings. They'll stay out of the way when you're unloaded (to a certain extent) but engage when loaded and provide a little extra spring rate.

They're effectively longer/softer/more progressive bump stops.

 

[Msfitoy]

Want to get the communities take and advice on addressing rear sag with full camp gear loadout. In short, my rear squats 2" when fully loaded with typical week+ camping gear. This provides a reverse 1" rake, or squat.

I've got Icon multileaf springs on the rear, which I've configured as Option 2 (out of 3, which essentially leaves out one leaf to support a 250 pound daily load). I have that extra leaf for both sides, uninstalled, intended for 400+ daily loads, which I don't have, daily anyway.

Along with the Icon springs, I have Eibach front and back, achieving a 3" suspension lift up front, 1" lift in the rear (due to Icon springs). With only my fiberglass SnugTop canopy/topper, I sit with a 1" rake. For daily, this is great by me. 24" front center of wheel to wheel well, 25" rear center of wheel to wheel well. Or, 39" ground to front wheel well, 40" ground to rear wheel well.

With fridge, battery, modest recovery/tools, plus 5 gall jerry can of gas, 8 gall of water, cold and dry food, 100 pounds on my canopy roof (Yakima Skybox with Gazelle popup tent, gazebo and camp chairs), clothes, etc, I measured a 2" drop in the rear.

I just got back from 2 weeks camping in Utah, White Rim Trail and many other offroad trails, easy to moderate mostly but not always. Never crashed into bump stops but I wish I didn't sag 2".

I don't feel a 2" sag is super significant, I bet I could fix that by adding the last leaf on my Icon multileaf spring kit. This might be to the detriment of daily driving with no load other than my 250 pound Snugtop Canopy, but I don't know for sure if that will be too stiff for daily driving. 2" sag certainly took away a little bit of departure angle.

Anyway, do you look for zero sag under load when offroading? Do you consider a couple inches 'just right' as compromise between daily driving and loaded offroading? Would airbags be a bad move for non-towing purposes (I don't have anything to tow).

I added Eibach 1" block spring lift in the rear to fix that...

 

[Tincan]

I added Eibach 1" block spring lift in the rear to fix that...

Thoughts on the block lift vs. extended shackles? Why did you choose the block over the shackle?

I searched and only saw a few posts regarding this (the BDS shackles). I have a very similar set up as Lazynorse and have been researching different ways to deal with it..

 

[Msfitoy]

Thoughts on the block lift vs. extended shackles? Why did you choose the block over the shackle?

I searched and only saw a few posts regarding this (the BDS shackles). I have a very similar set up as Lazynorse and have been researching different ways to deal with it..

Price and ease of installation...

 

[JohnnyO]

Roadmaster Active Suspension or assuming they will work with your lift, Firestone airbags.

 

[Grandaccess]

Want to get the communities take and advice on addressing rear sag with full camp gear loadout. In short, my rear squats 2" when fully loaded with typical week+ camping gear. This provides a reverse 1" rake, or squat.

I've got Icon multileaf springs on the rear, which I've configured as Option 2 (out of 3, which essentially leaves out one leaf to support a 250 pound daily load). I have that extra leaf for both sides, uninstalled, intended for 400+ daily loads, which I don't have, daily anyway.

Along with the Icon springs, I have Eibach front and back, achieving a 3" suspension lift up front, 1" lift in the rear (due to Icon springs). With only my fiberglass SnugTop canopy/topper, I sit with a 1" rake. For daily, this is great by me. 24" front center of wheel to wheel well, 25" rear center of wheel to wheel well. Or, 39" ground to front wheel well, 40" ground to rear wheel well.

With fridge, battery, modest recovery/tools, plus 5 gall jerry can of gas, 8 gall of water, cold and dry food, 100 pounds on my canopy roof (Yakima Skybox with Gazelle popup tent, gazebo and camp chairs), clothes, etc, I measured a 2" drop in the rear.

I just got back from 2 weeks camping in Utah, White Rim Trail and many other offroad trails, easy to moderate mostly but not always. Never crashed into bump stops but I wish I didn't sag 2".

I don't feel a 2" sag is super significant, I bet I could fix that by adding the last leaf on my Icon multileaf spring kit. This might be to the detriment of daily driving with no load other than my 250 pound Snugtop Canopy, but I don't know for sure if that will be too stiff for daily driving. 2" sag certainly took away a little bit of departure angle.

Anyway, do you look for zero sag under load when offroading? Do you consider a couple inches 'just right' as compromise between daily driving and loaded offroading? Would airbags be a bad move for non-towing purposes (I don't have anything to tow).

I have a Rough Country lift I have never gotten it to squat, the first time I didnt even realize how much I had in it till I got to the yard and had 1270lbs of rollers steel, 6 lug has to be good to 1/2 ton right?
The next time picking up 14 Telco AGM batteries (the big ones used in Cell Towers) they are 110 lbs each and I had 14, so 3/4 ton, and got 17.7 mpg doing it, few 100 miles and it handled and rode like a dream. (zero squat) the guys loading them were laughing and really didnt want to, (until I was loaded) they said they had to make 3 trips in a tundra, LOL I said this aint your grandpa's toyota!
I beat the shit out of all my trucks so its got a 50/50 its either gonna work for me or I will buy a truck that does!
the two other batteries are up against the tailgate....

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