Sponsored

My perfect Ranger with an imperfect transmission...

ccasanova22

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2022
Threads
25
Messages
403
Reaction score
456
Location
Lakeland, MN
Vehicle(s)
2022 Ranger XLT Tremor
Geez, the way that legalese reads even a Ford Performance Tune would then be considered an “alteration” as it’s a Ford branded modification but from a different Ford Motor Company brand/division!
Sponsored

 

yamahaSHO

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jason
Joined
Oct 14, 2021
Threads
9
Messages
549
Reaction score
1,250
Location
Greenwood, AR
Website
www.jaztuning.com
Vehicle(s)
22 Ranger, 23 Maverick, 04 S2000, 07 Sky RL
Occupation
ECU Calibration - USAF Retired
Vehicle Showcase
1
You’d think Ford would update the transmission profile considering all of the complaints.
They did make minor updates in the tune, but it looked to be more like completing some tables they forgot to put anything in, or extremely minor changes that won't really affect the driving experience. This was comparing a stock 2019 vs a 2022 map.
 
OP
OP
Msfitoy

Msfitoy

Well-Known Member
First Name
Sid
Joined
Mar 5, 2019
Threads
67
Messages
9,202
Reaction score
28,392
Location
North Carolina
Vehicle(s)
2019 Ranger, 2003 MINI Cooper S, 2021 Honda CT125
Occupation
NWO Robot Polisher
Vehicle Showcase
1

OFC Ranger

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jack
Joined
Aug 3, 2020
Threads
297
Messages
5,019
Reaction score
13,926
Location
Georgia
Vehicle(s)
ZR2
Geez, the way that legalese reads even a Ford Performance Tune would then be considered an “alteration” as it’s a Ford branded modification but from a different Ford Motor Company brand/division!

And if you make owners of the Ford Performance tune aware of this 95% of the time they get super butt-hurt and defensive. A realization they have been duped sets in.

I've sort of found enjoyment on doing this on Ranger FB group pages.
 

ccasanova22

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2022
Threads
25
Messages
403
Reaction score
456
Location
Lakeland, MN
Vehicle(s)
2022 Ranger XLT Tremor
And if you make owners of the Ford Performance tune aware of this 95% of the time they get super butt-hurt and defensive. A realization they have been duped sets in.

I've sort of found enjoyment on doing this on Ranger FB group pages.
Since many have claimed the FP warranty keeps their powertrain warranty, why don’t they go to their dealer and ask what happens when a non-OEM (as in, Ford original tune) is installed. I’m told “vehicle calibrations that are aftermarket” can void the 5/60k powertrain and yes, the FP tune is an aftermarket calibration!

Now if you had the Ford Protection Plan PowertrainCARE warranty that’s probably up to the arbitrator, but I’m willing to bet short of something minor like a diff leak they will say the FP tune caused the major failure and you’re out of luck. (Turbo, trans, etc.)

Guess you could try to hire an army of lawyers but in the majority of cases, you’ll lose. Sucks but it’s what it is…
 


OFC Ranger

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jack
Joined
Aug 3, 2020
Threads
297
Messages
5,019
Reaction score
13,926
Location
Georgia
Vehicle(s)
ZR2
Since many have claimed the FP warranty keeps their powertrain warranty, why don’t they go to their dealer and ask what happens when a non-OEM (as in, Ford original tune) is installed. I’m told “vehicle calibrations that are aftermarket” can void the 5/60k powertrain and yes, the FP tune is an aftermarket calibration!

Now if you had the Ford Protection Plan PowertrainCARE warranty that’s probably up to the arbitrator, but I’m willing to bet short of something minor like a diff leak they will say the FP tune caused the major failure and you’re out of luck. (Turbo, trans, etc.)

Guess you could try to hire an army of lawyers but in the majority of cases, you’ll lose. Sucks but it’s what it is…
The other caveat is the supposed warranty attached to the ford tuner that is 36k / 3 year is tied to the original purchase date of the truck.
 

Frenchy

Well-Known Member
First Name
Chris
Joined
Mar 15, 2020
Threads
164
Messages
7,550
Reaction score
10,762
Location
Elizabeth, Colorado
Vehicle(s)
2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
Occupation
Field Service Technician
Since many have claimed the FP warranty keeps their powertrain warranty, why don’t they go to their dealer and ask what happens when a non-OEM (as in, Ford original tune) is installed. I’m told “vehicle calibrations that are aftermarket” can void the 5/60k powertrain and yes, the FP tune is an aftermarket calibration!

Now if you had the Ford Protection Plan PowertrainCARE warranty that’s probably up to the arbitrator, but I’m willing to bet short of something minor like a diff leak they will say the FP tune caused the major failure and you’re out of luck. (Turbo, trans, etc.)

Guess you could try to hire an army of lawyers but in the majority of cases, you’ll lose. Sucks but it’s what it is…
The Ford Performance tune doesnt keep the powertrain warranty entirely intact. It lowers it to a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty. Already spoke with Ford and Ford Performance about it. As for the extended warranty it becomes a "Grey Area" since many extended warranty companies will not honor warranty with aftermarket parts installed.

As for a different tune from Livernois or other companies it becomes a "Grey Are" from the moment its installed. Why? Simply for tye fact that it isnt a certified tune from Ford. That said the failure still has to be proven for the tune being the cause.
 

ccasanova22

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2022
Threads
25
Messages
403
Reaction score
456
Location
Lakeland, MN
Vehicle(s)
2022 Ranger XLT Tremor
That makes sense, however if your 10R80 loses an output shaft or your 2.3 EcoBoost throws a rod and they say “the added boost from your aftermarket calibration” pushed the motor/trans past its limits, beyond the design capabilities, it’s gonna be hard to prove that the tune did NOT cause the issue…
 

Joeiconic

Well-Known Member
First Name
Rob
Joined
Jan 31, 2021
Threads
27
Messages
1,749
Reaction score
5,929
Location
Georgia
Vehicle(s)
2021 Ranger XLT
Occupation
Retired
Must be.
I just rolled 20,000 over the weekend. It'll take me forever to catch up with you.
Me too. I’m at 20,280 and it turns two years old next week. So I’m only about 8 years from 100,000 ?. I usually get bored and trade around 5-6 years so I doubt I will make it.
 

Joeiconic

Well-Known Member
First Name
Rob
Joined
Jan 31, 2021
Threads
27
Messages
1,749
Reaction score
5,929
Location
Georgia
Vehicle(s)
2021 Ranger XLT
Occupation
Retired
If I could magically build my own setup, I'd prefer an 8 or 6 speed behind the 2.3 ecoboost personally. The 8 speed out of my former Colorado ZR2 would be perfect in my mind for everyday driving. That 8 speed was nice from my experience, but I know others had issues. The 10 speed really only shines when towing in tow/haul mode in my humble opinion. In regular drive mode it skips 2 gears normally so only using 8 of the 10 99% of the time.
Agreed, I’ve had several vehicles with an eight speed transmission and that’s the sweet spot IMO.
 

RangerAl87

Well-Known Member
First Name
al
Joined
Jul 26, 2020
Threads
13
Messages
65
Reaction score
112
Location
Westchester,NY
Vehicle(s)
2020 ford ranger XLT
Occupation
Tech
Question? Our powertrains are covered for 5yrs/100kmiles? is the transmission not part of the powertrain?
I understand that I'm just guessing where he "got that from"
Sorry guys, I was thinking of my wife's Kia warranty when I wrote this. Please dont throw me infront of a train.:whew:
 

Jason B

Well-Known Member
First Name
Jason
Joined
May 19, 2021
Threads
9
Messages
3,028
Reaction score
8,403
Location
Louisiana
Vehicle(s)
2021 XL STX SE 4x2
Occupation
machinist
Since many have claimed the FP warranty keeps their powertrain warranty, why don’t they go to their dealer and ask what happens when a non-OEM (as in, Ford original tune) is installed. I’m told “vehicle calibrations that are aftermarket” can void the 5/60k powertrain and yes, the FP tune is an aftermarket calibration!

Now if you had the Ford Protection Plan PowertrainCARE warranty that’s probably up to the arbitrator, but I’m willing to bet short of something minor like a diff leak they will say the FP tune caused the major failure and you’re out of luck. (Turbo, trans, etc.)

Guess you could try to hire an army of lawyers but in the majority of cases, you’ll lose. Sucks but it’s what it is…
But the difference is that it's a Ford authorized aftermarket tune.
 

Frenchy

Well-Known Member
First Name
Chris
Joined
Mar 15, 2020
Threads
164
Messages
7,550
Reaction score
10,762
Location
Elizabeth, Colorado
Vehicle(s)
2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
Occupation
Field Service Technician
But the difference is that it's a Ford authorized aftermarket tune.
It is true that Ford authorized the tune. It still considered a gray area with the aftermarket extended warranties even through Ford because they can deny any warranty on the powertrain just because of the tune
 

ccasanova22

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2022
Threads
25
Messages
403
Reaction score
456
Location
Lakeland, MN
Vehicle(s)
2022 Ranger XLT Tremor
But the difference is that it's a Ford authorized aftermarket tune.
I read the FP warranty paperwork and it says any damage caused by the FP tune will be covered by FP if the New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover, hence it makes it sound like they can deny a claim under the New Vehicle Limited Warranty due to the FP tune…
 

Frenchy

Well-Known Member
First Name
Chris
Joined
Mar 15, 2020
Threads
164
Messages
7,550
Reaction score
10,762
Location
Elizabeth, Colorado
Vehicle(s)
2012 Nissan Frontier, 1994 F150 XL, 2022 Ford Transit
Occupation
Field Service Technician
I read the FP warranty paperwork and it says any damage caused by the FP tune will be covered by FP if the New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover, hence it makes it sound like they can deny a claim under the New Vehicle Limited Warranty due to the FP tune…
And dont forget that the warranty from Ford Performance is effective from the Vehicle warranty start date. Not the time of install.
Sponsored

 
 








Top