Poll: Which Leaf Springs Did You Get

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[Frenchy]

In general I got the entire lift kit. From stock it lifted the front 2.4 inches and the rear 1.6 inches. Old Man EMU is the only one at this time that I am aware of that offers a leaf that will increase travel while maintaining or add ins some load capacity to the rear(more of how much you can carry while maintaining lift). Towing is no problem at all. With the right toung load The truck will sit level. The ride quality was night and day. Control OffRoad was great. I actually had more articulation vs those who chose a leveling kit or lift with blocks. I already plan to go with the same brand on my 1993 Pathfinder.

Icon may improve ride, but it lowers load capacity of the truck. With its highest load setting it has a lower load limit then the basic Old Man EMU leaf. They even claim its ok to go to the lowest setting. Well if you plan to tow you don't want to do that as the rear will squat bad!! Oh and the Icon Leaf does not add any lift until you put it in the highest load form.

Deaver leafs. An interesting topic. To start these leafs will not increase your travel. They actually take away travel in the rear. How is that you ask? Simple, its due to the amount of Leafs in one Leaf Pack. The OEM leaf packs have 2 leafs. The Deavers have 10 per pack. One leaf is about 1/8th thick. So OEM is 1/4 and Deaver is 1 1/4 thick. That said if you go through APG they will give you a shorter bump stop to help with this. How much shorter is it you ask? No idea but if someone on here was kind enough to share that would be nice. Also what suprised me the most is how the leaf provides a comfortable ride. Why am I suprised? Simply due to how many leafs are in one Leaf Pack. Normally you would not see that except on a heavy duty vehicle, so I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

That is my input on the 3 and hope that helps.

Pictures include 32 and 33 inch tires installed along with Towing 5,500 LBS with no air springs of sorts

 

[OC4095]

In general I got the entire lift kit. From stock it lifted the front 2.4 inches and the rear 1.6 inches. Old Man EMU is the only one at this time that I am aware of that offers a leaf that will increase travel while maintaining or add ins some load capacity to the rear(more of how much you can carry while maintaining lift). Towing is no problem at all. With the right toung load The truck will sit level. The ride quality was night and day. Control OffRoad was great. I actually had more articulation vs those who chose a leveling kit or lift with blocks. I already plan to go with the same brand on my 1993 Pathfinder.

Icon may improve ride, but it lowers load capacity of the truck. With its highest load setting it has a lower load limit then the basic Old Man EMU leaf. They even claim its ok to go to the lowest setting. Well if you plan to tow you don't want to do that as the rear will squat bad!! Oh and the Icon Leaf does not add any lift until you put it in the highest load form.

Deaver leafs. An interesting topic. To start these leafs will not increase your travel. They actually take away travel in the rear. How is that you ask? Simple, its due to the amount of Leafs in one Leaf Pack. The OEM leaf packs have 2 leafs. The Deavers have 10 per pack. One leaf is about 1/8th thick. So OEM is 1/4 and Deaver is 1 1/4 thick. That said if you go through APG they will give you a shorter bump stop to help with this. How much shorter is it you ask? No idea but if someone on here was kind enough to share that would be nice. Also what suprised me the most is how the leaf provides a comfortable ride. Why am I suprised? Simply due to how many leafs are in one Leaf Pack. Normally you would not see that except on a heavy duty vehicle, so I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

That is my input on the 3 and hope that helps.

Pictures include 32 and 33 inch tires installed along with Towing 5,500 LBS with no air springs of sorts

Thanks for the info. Yeah thats interesting about Deavers. I dont do any towing and dont really ever cary weight, just looking for a better ride. I had skyjacker leafs on another vehicle but i aslo had several hundred pounds of weight so it worked out perfect.

 

[Dereku]

In general I got the entire lift kit. From stock it lifted the front 2.4 inches and the rear 1.6 inches. Old Man EMU is the only one at this time that I am aware of that offers a leaf that will increase travel while maintaining or add ins some load capacity to the rear(more of how much you can carry while maintaining lift). Towing is no problem at all. With the right toung load The truck will sit level. The ride quality was night and day. Control OffRoad was great. I actually had more articulation vs those who chose a leveling kit or lift with blocks. I already plan to go with the same brand on my 1993 Pathfinder.

Icon may improve ride, but it lowers load capacity of the truck. With its highest load setting it has a lower load limit then the basic Old Man EMU leaf. They even claim its ok to go to the lowest setting. Well if you plan to tow you don't want to do that as the rear will squat bad!! Oh and the Icon Leaf does not add any lift until you put it in the highest load form.

Deaver leafs. An interesting topic. To start these leafs will not increase your travel. They actually take away travel in the rear. How is that you ask? Simple, its due to the amount of Leafs in one Leaf Pack. The OEM leaf packs have 2 leafs. The Deavers have 10 per pack. One leaf is about 1/8th thick. So OEM is 1/4 and Deaver is 1 1/4 thick. That said if you go through APG they will give you a shorter bump stop to help with this. How much shorter is it you ask? No idea but if someone on here was kind enough to share that would be nice. Also what suprised me the most is how the leaf provides a comfortable ride. Why am I suprised? Simply due to how many leafs are in one Leaf Pack. Normally you would not see that except on a heavy duty vehicle, so I still have a hard time wrapping my head around it.

That is my input on the 3 and hope that helps.

Pictures include 32 and 33 inch tires installed along with Towing 5,500 LBS with no air springs of sorts

Multiple thin leafs give a softer ride while maintaining a good load carrying capacity. Its odd to think about it but someone with more knowledge on the topic could explain it better. I have ran deavers on other trucks and its true. Better ride and in my care, better load carrying capacity as well.

 

[Frenchy]

Multiple thin leafs give a softer ride while maintaining a good load carrying capacity. Its odd to think about it but someone with more knowledge on the topic could explain it better. I have ran deavers on other trucks and its true. Better ride and in my care, better load carrying capacity as well.

I doubt the thinner leaf but I can see if the springs dont have near as much of an arch to them. If not mistaken the less arch you have the less spring rate you have. Also as we all know multi leaf packs are considered a progressive type to to the different lengths of each leaf. With that I can see but it's still hard to wrap my head around. As mentioned you usually only see it on heavy duty trucks.

 

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[Colo_Ranger]

I got the Icons. Made a huge difference in the quality of the ride and capacity. Can't recommend them enough. I had them in config 1 for awhile and recently moved them to config 3.

 

[20XLRangerFraptor]

I doubt the thinner leaf but I can see if the springs dont have near as much of an arch to them. If not mistaken the less arch you have the less spring rate you have. Also as we all know multi leaf packs are considered a progressive type to to the different lengths of each leaf. With that I can see but it's still hard to wrap my head around. As mentioned you usually only see it on heavy duty trucks.

Deaver does use a thinner leaf combined with 9 or 10 leafs per spring to offer a progressive softer ride quality while still maintaining weight capacity.

"A higher leaf count spring allows the use of thinner leaf material that yields a more flexible progressive leaf stack, or pyramid, producing a much smoother spring rate curve throughout the complete suspension cycle." Straight from deaver description.

Have you ever seen or rode in a vehicle equipped with deaver leaf springs?

 

[Frenchy]

Deaver does use a thinner leaf combined with 9 or 10 leafs per spring to offer a progressive softer ride quality while still maintaining weight capacity.

"A higher leaf count spring allows the use of thinner leaf material that yields a more flexible progressive leaf stack, or pyramid, producing a much smoother spring rate curve throughout the complete suspension cycle." Straight from deaver description.

Have you ever seen or rode in a vehicle equipped with deaver leaf springs?

Seen in person? No. Of course I havent ridden in a vehicle with them either. That said i have not argured on them being comfortable. Many on here have already stated on how comfortable they are. As for the thiner leaf? Yeah I have seen pictures posted on here and can tell you loose available Travel because of it. That is the reason why APG supplies the shorter bumb stops.

 

[20XLRangerFraptor]

Seen in person? No. Of course I havent ridden in a vehicle with them either. That said i have not argured on them being comfortable. Many on here have already stated on how comfortable they are. As for the thiner leaf? Yeah I have seen pictures posted on here and can tell you loose available Travel because of it. That is the reason why APG supplies the shorter bumb stops.

So you believe that you lose travel with the deaver? Are you just considering losing the up travel since the leaf pack is overall taller than the stock setup? I'm sure you are gaining down travel with the new leaf pack.

Either way I'm about to order some deaver leafs and Icon 2.5 PB CDCV rear shocks. When I install I'm going to measure stock travel numbers and compare the number ones the deavers are installed.

 

[Frenchy]

So you believe that you lose travel with the deaver? Are you just considering losing the up travel since the leaf pack is overall taller than the stock setup? I'm sure you are gaining down travel with the new leaf pack.

Either way I'm about to order some deaver leafs and Icon 2.5 PB CDCV rear shocks. When I install I'm going to measure stock travel numbers and compare the number ones the deavers are installed.

No travel Iisgained with the deaver no matter what. How is this determined? Simple. To start you do not have any gain height in the rear. That already says the down travel till most likely not be any more than factory. Up travel is lost thanks to the leaf pack total height. APG has decided to compensate by using shorter bump stops. Does it fix the up travel entirely? That part is unknown too me. Why you ask? Well I have yet to see anyone be so kind to share the height difference between the stock and new bump stop. If that information was available it would be much easier to answer.

As for why individuals have chosen to go with Deaver? My best giess is they dont belive in an actual lift and/or would like a comfortable ride in the rear. If you notice from my other posts on here my 2019(that I unfortunately dont have anymore) had the Old Man EMU lift and it did raid the rear. It also gave good comfort and control both on and OffRoad. The leaf pack that came with it was a 4 leaf pack(yes a little taller than Factory) but was also arched enough to give 1.6 inches of rear lift and still travel down. The leafs had no problems traveling up close to the bump stops either. You had to really flex the rear to do so but it was possible. The Deavers wont flex as much as the Old Man EMU leafs and that is simply a fact you will need to accept.

 

[20XLRangerFraptor]

No travel Iisgained with the deaver no matter what. How is this determined? Simple. To start you do not have any gain height in the rear. That already says the down travel till most likely not be any more than factory. Up travel is lost thanks to the leaf pack total height. APG has decided to compensate by using shorter bump stops. Does it fix the up travel entirely? That part is unknown too me. Why you ask? Well I have yet to see anyone be so kind to share the height difference between the stock and new bump stop. If that information was available it would be much easier to answer.

As for why individuals have chosen to go with Deaver? My best giess is they dont belive in an actual lift and/or would like a comfortable ride in the rear. If you notice from my other posts on here my 2019(that I unfortunately dont have anymore) had the Old Man EMU lift and it did raid the rear. It also gave good comfort and control both on and OffRoad. The leaf pack that came with it was a 4 leaf pack(yes a little taller than Factory) but was also arched enough to give 1.6 inches of rear lift and still travel down. The leafs had no problems traveling up close to the bump stops either. You had to really flex the rear to do so but it was possible. The Deavers wont flex as much as the Old Man EMU leafs and that is simply a fact you will need to accept.

I guess we will just see the numbers once I get them in hand. APG and other companies that go to a shorter rear bumpstop use a factory raptor bump stop. Don't believe in an actual lift... some people may not want to gain any more height than what they have. Deaver offers a softer riding more capable leaf pack without lifting. I do not want to be any higher in the rear than what I'm currently sitting at. Considering you haven't seen the deaver in a truck in person you going to stick with your "facts" of it not flexing as much as an OME? What makes you think that?

 

[Frenchy]

I guess we will just see the numbers once I get them in hand. APG and other companies that go to a shorter rear bumpstop use a factory raptor bump stop. Don't believe in an actual lift... some people may not want to gain any more height than what they have. Deaver offers a softer riding more capable leaf pack without lifting. I do not want to be any higher in the rear than what I'm currently sitting at. Considering you haven't seen the deaver in a truck in person you going to stick with your "facts" of it not flexing as much as an OME? What makes you think that?

Facts are facts. The lack or arch in the deavers are mainly due to the amount of leafs while maintaining factory height. This does help with the comfortable ride of course being multiple leafs at a lower rate. Also thanks to not changing the down travel and already taking away the available up travel it will most likely not give more flex over factory and will guarantee it will not come close to Old Man EMU.

I will also add that if you keep your truck level then dont plan on adding any weight to the rear. Leveld trucks dont handle that well without doing the Carolina Dog Squat.

 

[Frenchy]

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Kinda curious if you made a decision on leafs for the truck?

 

[20XLRangerFraptor]

Facts are facts. The lack or arch in the deavers are mainly due to the amount of leafs while maintaining factory height. This does help with the comfortable ride of course being multiple leafs at a lower rate. Also thanks to not changing the down travel and already taking away the available up travel it will most likely not give more flex over factory and will guarantee it will not come close to Old Man EMU.

I will also add that if you keep your truck level then dont plan on adding any weight to the rear. Leveld trucks dont handle that well without doing the Carolina Dog Squat.

I'm just curious what you are basing these "facts" on. The benefit of thinner lower rate leafs in a pack gives a better ride quality and also allows them the flex up and down better. Now these rangers may have something else the could limit that down travel as I'm not 100% sure on that prt as of yet. Like I said once I have the deavers in hand and do the install we will see the numbers. Every other vehicle I have had deavers on not only rode ALOT better on and off road but also flexed and had more down travel. The lack of arch on them doesn't negate the fact they can't droop out on down travel.

I like the level look and it isn't 100% level so there is a very slight rack still to it. And I don't plan on adding anymore weight than I already carry. I don't really tow with this truck much so I'm not worried about that.

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