22 months totally dead battery

[subquark]

@AzScorpion Can you refresh my mind on the jump starter you have?

I use the GOOLOO GP4000

https://us.gooloo.com/products/gp4000

I have used it to start the FJ40 that had a totally dead battery. I used it one day, four times in a row. And then two times in a row the next and it still showed 75% full.

It's powerful and cranked that 3.9 liter engine over easily (the cables did get hot).

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[IdahoRanger]

Steve, I bought this one here. I haven't had to use it yet so I can't comment on how it works but all the reviews were good. Project Farm on Youtube did a comparison one these and this one came out on top. It also has a temp range from -40 to +149 degrees. I will say that I check the charge on it every 3 months and it's still holding strong at 100%.

Thanks, will do my research.

 

[dtech]

I first became acquainted with these (HD-Commercial version) when AAA showed up for a boost after a co worker's jumper cables failed to start my previous Ranger. These modern battery boosters really rock!

Yes but I think you are failing to consider or worse still intentionally ignoring all the environmental damage done by producing the lithium battery in the those powerful and what even some anti EVers on here admit are useful devices - along with cell phones, power tools, drones etc. Gotta wonder what is the demarcation point is (if one exists) , are lith-ion batts bad only because of scale or only because they are likely to replace the ice vehicles we all know and love ? What if all vehicle owners go out and buy these battery packs and bring the grid down - would you feel accountable for recommending them ? food for thought or reason to be banned here ? I only know what I know, no more, no less.

 

[Progeny2021]

Yes but I think you are failing to consider or worse still intentionally ignoring all the environmental damage done by producing the lithium battery in the those powerful and what even some anti EVers on here admit are useful devices - along with cell phones, power tools, drones etc. Gotta wonder what is the demarcation point is (if one exists) , are lith-ion batts bad only because of scale or only because they are likely to replace the ice vehicles we all know and love ? What if all vehicle owners go out and buy these battery packs and bring the grid down - would you feel accountable for recommending them ? food for thought or reason to be banned here ? I only know what I know, no more, no less.

I'm reminded of the cons of ethanol production and the mis guided policy of blending ethanol into motor fuels, except in national emergencies....

 

[dtech]

I'm reminded of the cons of ethanol production and the mis guided policy of blending ethanol into motor fuels, except in national emergencies....

ok I feel that you have exonerated yourself and truly are a responsible denizen of the planet earth, despite your use of lith-ion powered devices . As an fyi I bought one of those batt packs 5 yrs ago, used it once to jump start a buds truck (if you consider a ridgeline a truck) on a hunting trip, but have used it a number of times to recharge devices while away from the grid.

 

[Progeny2021]

ok I feel that you have exonerated yourself and truly are a responsible denizen of the planet earth, despite your use of lith-ion powered devices . As an fyi I bought one of those batt packs 5 yrs ago, used it once to jump start a buds truck (if you consider a ridgeline a truck) on a hunting trip, but have used it a number of times to recharge devices while away from the grid.

Huh?!?!

 

[Progeny2021]

Steve, I bought this one here. I haven't had to use it yet so I can't comment on how it works but all the reviews were good. Project Farm on Youtube did a comparison one these and this one came out on top. It also has a temp range from -40 to +149 degrees. I will say that I check the charge on it every 3 months and it's still holding strong at 100%.

Been wanting one of my own for some time now. Just ordered 3 - one for me and each of my grown kids....

 

[Jason B]

could be. Curious if an aftermarket battery would last longer. But if it is a software issue, then I don't think there would be much of a difference.

Ford doesn't make batteries, so in a sense it is an aftermarket battery with a Ford label on it.
If I recall, there are only 4 or 5 battery manufactures in the US that make several branded batteries.
My guess is the problem arises due Ford's charging scheme and the increased constant loads of electronics. If with vehicle switched off, they still draw power.

 

[JesseS]

yep that's it , doesn't charge to 100% - some say only 75% , some reasons for that but a lead acid battery that is consistently not fully charged will experience sulfation which shortens the life of a battery - as does excessively high temps. Either change the algorythm in forscan or use a batt tender - I do the latter.

You are correct, it is set to only charge to 75% SOC, which I don't understand as you should never let a LA battery get below 70% under normal use as it will sulfate, and 50% or less will kill it. I used Forscan to change my SOC to 90% and now I no longer get the "going into safe power mode' messages when it sets for 2 weeks. My truck is now 20 months old so we will see if the change makes a difference.

 

[Progeny2021]

You are correct, it is set to only charge to 75% SOC, which I don't understand as you should never let a LA battery get below 70% under normal use as it will sulfate, and 50% or less will kill it. I used Forscan to change my SOC to 90% and now I no longer get the "going into safe power mode' messages when it sets for 2 weeks. My truck is now 20 months old so we will see if the change makes a difference.

Good info. Thinking I'll look into Forescan, even if I have to buy a windows laptop......

 

[JesseS]

Good info. Thinking I'll look into Forescan, even if I have to buy a windows laptop......

I put windows on my Macbook Pro as a duel boot just for the few MS programs I need. (programming for my solar controller and HAM radios as well as the Xmas light computers.)

 

[dtech]

You are correct, it is set to only charge to 75% SOC, which I don't understand as you should never let a LA battery get below 70% under normal use as it will sulfate, and 50% or less will kill it. I used Forscan to change my SOC to 90% and now I no longer get the "going into safe power mode' messages when it sets for 2 weeks. My truck is now 20 months old so we will see if the change makes a difference.

yes a ways back someone posted that a agm battery should never be charged over 70% - that is incorrect, any lead acid battery will sulfate when consistently undercharged. I would speculate that Ford chose 75% for the ass function so the batt would quickly recharge to 75% capacity, lead acid batteries charge slower the closer they get to 100% capacity as internal resistance increases and additional heat is produced, plus could shorten alternator life, certainly suck more power from the engine, in areas with high temps this could have an impact on battery life, in more temperate areas I would believe 90% capacity is going to be just fine.

 

[Progeny2021]

I put windows on my Macbook Pro as a duel boot just for the few MS programs I need. (programming for my solar controller and HAM radios as well as the Xmas light computers.)

I bought my grand daughter an Apple refurb Macbook Pro last year and set it up with BootCamp. Windows OS is supposed to be native to Intel chipped Macs while Mac OS runs as a VM on Intel. It was the reverse on the previous Motorola chips.

Long story short: Grand daughter's Macbook Pro came with 1TB SSD, plenty of room for dual boot OS. For the first time ever, I set up her machine with Windows 10 Home and Monterey. Mac side loaded without a glitch but Windows side was a nightmare (for me).

Everything smoothed out once I installed a program that automatically cleaned up and updated the Windows Registry. School requires Windows for their programs - the setup I installed has been trouble free.

My current antique Macbook Pro (2013 Haswell) only has 250GB SSD, not enough for dual boot. I bought an inexpensive HP laptop from Walmart years ago for auto and motorcycle diagnostics specifically - it went with my last motorcycle sold. The HP laptop was trouble free.

At this point, I'm inclined to go with another Walmart Windows laptop and keep everything on separate machines.

 

[JesseS]

I bought my grand daughter an Apple refurb Macbook Pro last year and set it up with BootCamp. Windows OS is supposed to be native to Intel chipped Macs while Mac OS runs as a VM on Intel. It was the reverse on the previous Motorola chips.

Long story short: Grand daughter's Macbook Pro came with 1TB SSD, plenty of room for dual boot OS. For the first time ever, I set up her machine with Windows 10 Home and Monterey. Mac side loaded without a glitch but Windows side was a nightmare (for me).

Everything smoothed out once I installed a program that automatically cleaned up and updated the Windows Registry. School requires Windows for their programs - the setup I installed has been trouble free.

My current antique Macbook Pro (2013 Haswell) only has 250GB SSD, not enough for dual boot. I bought an inexpensive HP laptop from Walmart years ago for auto and motorcycle diagnostics specifically - it went with my last motorcycle sold. The HP laptop was trouble free.

At this point, I'm inclined to go with another Walmart Windows laptop and keep everything on separate machines.

I had no issue installing Win 10 in a bootcamp partition, I use windows so seldom (2 or 3 times a year) that having 2 separate machines makes no sense, at my age I would forgot where I put the windows one . I use it the entire month of Dec to run my 25K light Xmas display that is choreographed to music, other than that only if I need to re-program my radios or tweak the solar charging profile on the Motorhome.

 

[KJRR]

I've heard similar comments regards Interstate batteries - battery life is dependent on so many variables or as shown in this thread YMMV . For that reason I have bought my last 3 replacement batts at Wally Mart - at one time they were supplied by Exide (not good) but now by Johnson Controls, who make the Duralast (and many other brands) I used to buy but as prices rose switched to Wally's
When the AGM batt in the Ranger gives it up I may switch over to wet cell lead acid and change the charger algorthym.

Agree with the many variables and I've had good luck with batteries from Rural King (Exide) and they are cheap compared to others.
As @Msfitoy said, driving them is a good way to keep them alive. I know my Ranger sat undriven for a week or so at times and with the constant drain from all the electronics it probably contributed to the weakend battery. It always started and I wouldn't have replace it myself until it's dead but since it's under warranty, may as well get it replaced.
Hoping the battery monitor sensor helps resolve the issue long term.

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